<div><div dir="auto">Back to main discussion....</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">How do we choose the best transport?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One question, how much people care about vendor diversity? I do and did care. I don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket. Do you care? Thank you</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mehmet</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:30 Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">I haven't.<br><br>Sure, but the equipment still does smaller channels. Going to 100G or 400G for just over 10G seems silly.<br><br>If Equinix had reasonable cross connects, I'd just LAG 10Gs. The cost of a pair of Equinix cross connects isn't much less than the 10G wave. 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to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)<br><br>Mike have you looked at Packetlight? Long-haul is mostly jumping to 100 or even 400g coherent. <div><br><div id="m_-3511104015400960605AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">-Ben</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">FS had one, but it's not on their site anymore.<br><br><div><span></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New 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href="mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com" target="_blank">lguillory@reservetele.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Eric Dugas" <<a href="mailto:edugas@unknowndevice.ca" target="_blank">edugas@unknowndevice.ca</a>>, "nanog" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, December 15, 2018 10:52:19 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)<br><br>
<p class="m_-3511104015400960605ImprintUniqueID">No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder?</p>
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On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G transport. My equipment supports 40G. The carriers aren't terribly interested in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one quote was over 4x a 10G). 100G-capable switches
cost too much. Equinix charges as much for a pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers aren't likely to be interested in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the ridiculous cross connect charges.<br>
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This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path forward.<br>
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<b>From: </b>"Eric Dugas" <<a href="mailto:edugas@unknowndevice.ca" target="_blank">edugas@unknowndevice.ca</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Mehmet Akcin" <<a href="mailto:mehmet@akcin.net" target="_blank">mehmet@akcin.net</a>><br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)<br>
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<div>I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the overall robustness of the design).</div>
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<div>Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and some will have the flexibility to hand-off in particular suites within the same building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are lower. I've seen cross-connect
fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you need multiple wavelengths (for capacity), the cross-connect fees are going to make a huge difference on the total MRC.</div>
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<div>Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a transit provider smail earlier.</div>
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<div>How do you choose transport & backbone?</div>
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<div>Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, length, but what else?</div>
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<div>I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs.</div>
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<div>I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe next? I am probably too late by now.</div>
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<div>Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line ;-)</div>
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