<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I haven't.<br><br>Sure, but the equipment still does smaller channels. Going to 100G or 400G for just over 10G seems silly.<br><br>If Equinix had reasonable cross connects, I'd just LAG 10Gs. The cost of a pair of Equinix cross connects isn't much less than the 10G wave. 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Long-haul is mostly jumping to 100 or even 400g coherent. <div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">-Ben</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000">FS had one, but it's not on their site anymore.<br><br><div><span></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; 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<p class="ImprintUniqueID">No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder?</p>
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On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G transport. My equipment supports 40G. The carriers aren't terribly interested in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one quote was over 4x a 10G). 100G-capable switches
cost too much. Equinix charges as much for a pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers aren't likely to be interested in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the ridiculous cross connect charges.<br>
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This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path forward.<br>
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<b>From: </b>"Eric Dugas" <<a href="mailto:edugas@unknowndevice.ca" target="_blank">edugas@unknowndevice.ca</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Mehmet Akcin" <<a href="mailto:mehmet@akcin.net" target="_blank">mehmet@akcin.net</a>><br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)<br>
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<div>I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the overall robustness of the design).</div>
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<div>Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and some will have the flexibility to hand-off in particular suites within the same building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are lower. I've seen cross-connect
fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you need multiple wavelengths (for capacity), the cross-connect fees are going to make a huge difference on the total MRC.</div>
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<div>Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a transit provider smail earlier.</div>
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<div>How do you choose transport & backbone?</div>
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<div>Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, length, but what else?</div>
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<div>I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs.</div>
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<div>I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe next? I am probably too late by now.</div>
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<div>Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line ;-)</div>
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