<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>As an IX operator, that doesn't always get you anywhere.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; 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Pls excuse brevity and typos if any. <br><br>> On 25-Nov-2018, at 5:30 PM, nanog-request@nanog.org wrote:<br>> <br>> Send NANOG mailing list submissions to<br>> nanog@nanog.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> nanog-request@nanog.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> nanog-owner@nanog.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of NANOG digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Amazon Peering (Mike Hammett)<br>> 2. Re: Amazon Peering (Darin Steffl)<br>> 3. Re: Amazon Peering (JASON BOTHE)<br>> 4. RE: Internet diameter? (Hal Murray)<br>> 5. DWDM forums (Ben Cannon)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:38:49 -0600 (CST)<br>> From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net><br>> To: Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br>> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org><br>> Subject: Re: Amazon Peering<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <1966321065.11280.1543077528570.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> I've e-mailed my contacts there a couple times on people's behalf. No response yet. <br>> <br>> It seems like a lot of organizations need 1 more person in their peering departments. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- <br>> Mike Hammett <br>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <br>> http://www.ics-il.com <br>> <br>> Midwest-IX <br>> http://www.midwest-ix.com <br>> <br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> <br>> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com> <br>> To: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> <br>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:21:51 PM <br>> Subject: Amazon Peering <br>> <br>> <br>> Hey all, <br>> <br>> <br>> Does anyone have a direct contact to get a peering session established with Amazon at an IX? I sent a peering request Dec 2017 and two more times this Sept and Nov with no response. <br>> <br>> <br>> I sent to peering@amazon.com and received one automated response back so I know they received my email but nothing since. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> <br>> <br>> Darin Steffl <br>> Minnesota WiFi <br>> www.mnwifi.com <br>> 507-634-WiFi <br>> Like us on Facebook <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/attachments/20181124/6cca0678/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:59:21 -0600<br>> From: Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br>> To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net><br>> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br>> Subject: Re: Amazon Peering<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAH-uaepqS37C43AQzoWxKk8DzT9soM3QAx1=rJ=DvpC0AOJuPg@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> It seems wasteful for Amazon to connect to an IX but then ignore peering<br>> requests for a year.<br>> <br>> They have 40G of connectivity but are unresponsive. I'll try emailing all<br>> the other contacts listed in peeringdb.<br>> <br>> Thanks<br>> <br>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 10:38 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net wrote:<br>>> <br>>> I've e-mailed my contacts there a couple times on people's behalf. No<br>>> response yet.<br>>> <br>>> It seems like a lot of organizations need 1 more person in their peering<br>>> departments.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> -----<br>>> Mike Hammett<br>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>>> http://www.ics-il.com<br>>> <br>>> Midwest-IX<br>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com<br>>> <br>>> ------------------------------<br>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br>>> *To: *"North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br>>> *Sent: *Friday, November 23, 2018 10:21:51 PM<br>>> *Subject: *Amazon Peering<br>>> <br>>> Hey all,<br>>> <br>>> Does anyone have a direct contact to get a peering session established<br>>> with Amazon at an IX? I sent a peering request Dec 2017 and two more times<br>>> this Sept and Nov with no response.<br>>> <br>>> I sent to peering@amazon.com and received one automated response back so<br>>> I know they received my email but nothing since.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> --<br>>> Darin Steffl<br>>> Minnesota WiFi<br>>> www.mnwifi.com<br>>> 507-634-WiFi<br>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook<br>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi><br>>> <br>>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/attachments/20181124/a90e9544/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 11:29:57 -0600<br>> From: JASON BOTHE <jbothe@me.com><br>> To: Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br>> Cc: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>, North American Network Operators'<br>> Group <nanog@nanog.org><br>> Subject: Re: Amazon Peering<br>> Message-ID: <F274658B-DDF1-4730-900F-821222D46A75@me.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> This is a note I received on Oct18 when checking on a peering request submitted on Aug7.. <br>> <br>> “Apologies for the delays here. We have temporarily frozen IX peering as we revise some of our automation processes. I’m hopeful this will be unblocked by early November. Thank you for your continued patience.”<br>> <br>>> On Nov 24, 2018, at 10:59, Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> It seems wasteful for Amazon to connect to an IX but then ignore peering requests for a year.<br>>> <br>>> They have 40G of connectivity but are unresponsive. I'll try emailing all the other contacts listed in peeringdb.<br>>> <br>>> Thanks <br>>> <br>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 10:38 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net wrote:<br>>>> I've e-mailed my contacts there a couple times on people's behalf. No response yet.<br>>>> <br>>>> It seems like a lot of organizations need 1 more person in their peering departments.<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> -----<br>>>> Mike Hammett<br>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>>>> http://www.ics-il.com<br>>>> <br>>>> Midwest-IX<br>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com<br>>>> <br>>>> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br>>>> To: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br>>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 10:21:51 PM<br>>>> Subject: Amazon Peering<br>>>> <br>>>> Hey all,<br>>>> <br>>>> Does anyone have a direct contact to get a peering session established with Amazon at an IX? I sent a peering request Dec 2017 and two more times this Sept and Nov with no response.<br>>>> <br>>>> I sent to peering@amazon.com and received one automated response back so I know they received my email but nothing since.<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> -- <br>>>> Darin Steffl<br>>>> Minnesota WiFi<br>>>> www.mnwifi.com<br>>>> 507-634-WiFi<br>>>> Like us on Facebook<br>>>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/attachments/20181124/d8823211/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:47:31 -0800<br>> From: Hal Murray <hgm+nanog@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net><br>> To: nanog@nanog.org<br>> Cc: hgm+nanog@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net<br>> Subject: RE: Internet diameter?<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <20181125014731.C27B040605C@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>> <br>> <br>> Keith Medcalf said:<br>>> "just static content" would be more accurate ...<br>> <br>> and using http rather than https<br>> <br>>> There were many attempts at this by Johhny-cum-lately ISPs back in the 90's<br>>> -- particularly Telco and Cableco's -- with their "transparent poxies".<br>>> Eventually they discovered that it was more cost efficient to actually<br>>> provide the customer with what the customer had purchased. <br>> <br>> One of the complications in this area is an extra layer of logging which could <br>> turn into privacy invasion.<br>> <br>> I'm pretty sure it was Comcast, but a quick search didn't find a good <br>> reference. Many years ago, there were a lot of complaints when customers <br>> discovered that their transparent proxy web site traffic was getting logged. <br>> Comcast said they weren't using it for anything beyond normal operations work, <br>> but nobody believed them. Shortly after that, they gave up on proxying.<br>> <br>> I'm sure the general reputation of modern Telcos and Cablecos for privacy <br>> invasion didn't help.<br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> These are my opinions. I hate spam.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 22:05:05 -0800<br>> From: Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net><br>> To: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org><br>> Subject: DWDM forums<br>> Message-ID: <5C6667D7-0CF2-4801-840F-C67F213D1F04@6by7.net><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>> <br>> Apologies for the noise, but can anyone recommend some DWDM or other glass/laser/amplifier communities or forums? There has to be a ton of overlap with this group. <br>> -Ben.<br>> <br>> End of NANOG Digest, Vol 130, Issue 23<br>> **************************************<br><br></div><br></div></body></html>