<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:31 AM Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So don't CGNat? Buy IPv4 addresses at auction?<br>
</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As long as you don’t deploy ipv6, you should be good. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Seriously. Not sure why this is so hard. IPv4 does not scale. Your customers, like my customers, probably mostly go to Youtube, google, fb, netflix, .... all which have ipv6. Giving your existing customers ipv6 moves this traffic off your cgn. And gives them a path to dns services. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But you do you. if you ask NANOG, how to solve this problem, and missed the 3 NANOG meeting presos at every meeting about how ipv6 is good .... not sure what you expect here. Definately not a shoulder to cry on, but i wm sure some v4 brokers and cgn box pushers see your customers blood in the water. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">CB</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 9/11/18 9:28 AM, Ca By wrote:<br>
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> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:04 AM Matt Hoppes <br>
> <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" target="_blank">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" target="_blank">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> That isn’t a solution. He still will need to dual stack and CGNat that.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> But the flows that can support ipv6, will go ipv6 and not be subject to <br>
> these abuse triggers.<br>
> <br>
> Look, this list has monthly reports from some small network operator <br>
> hurting their customers with CGN NAT. Meanwhile, the big guys like <br>
> Comcast / Charter / ATT / Cox have moved onto ipv6.<br>
> <br>
> Where does that leave the little guy with CGN?<br>
> <br>
> Right here. Screaming into the avoid begging for help. Some special <br>
> exception.<br>
> <br>
> And, me, saying you had 10+ years of not deploying ipv6. Here’s to the <br>
> next 10 years of you email this list about your own failure to keep up <br>
> with the times.<br>
> <br>
> We will have this discussion again and again. Not sure your customers <br>
> will stick around, all they know is your CGN space got black listed from <br>
> yet another service<br>
> <br>
> #realtalk<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sep 11, 2018, at 08:54, Ca By <<a href="mailto:cb.list6@gmail.com" target="_blank">cb.list6@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cb.list6@gmail.com" target="_blank">cb.list6@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:12 PM Darin Steffl<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:darin.steffl@mnwifi.com" target="_blank">darin.steffl@mnwifi.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darin.steffl@mnwifi.com" target="_blank">darin.steffl@mnwifi.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hello,<br>
>><br>
>> I have a ticket open with OpenDNS about filtering happening on<br>
>> some of our CGNAT IP space where a customer has "claimed" the<br>
>> IP as theirs so other customers using that same IP and OpenDNS<br>
>> are being filtered and not able to access sites that fall<br>
>> under their chosen filter.<br>
>><br>
>> I have a ticket open from 6 days ago but it's not going<br>
>> anywhere fast.<br>
>><br>
>> Can someone from OpenDNS contact me or point me to a contact<br>
>> there to help get this resolved? I believe we need to claim<br>
>> our CGNAT IP space so residential users can't claim IP's of<br>
>> their own.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> You should provide your users ipv6, opendns supports ipv6 and<br>
>> likely will not have this issue you see<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://www.opendns.com/about/innovations/ipv6/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.opendns.com/about/innovations/ipv6/</a><br>
>><br>
>> I am sure it may cost you time / money / effort. But this old<br>
>> thing we call ipv4 is in a death spiral, and it will just get<br>
>> worse and worse for you without ipv6.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> -- <br>
>> Darin Steffl<br>
>> Minnesota WiFi<br>
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