<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">thank you Vint.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>folks please note Vint's remarks on common carriage. This stuff gets very complicate very fast and i do not have it all at the tip of my tongue by any means. Vint did engage with Fred Goldstein, Andrew Odlyzko, David Isenberg and others in a discussion of this about 3 weeks ago.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Please note also Vint's remark:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" style="text-align: -khtml-left;"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;">If ISPs were to inspect packets and interfere with those of competing application providers (voice, video), I would consider that a violation of the principle of network neutrality.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I have NOT been reading this bill carefully myself </DIV><DIV>dangerous i know. BUT if i understand it correctly this is precisely what this bill would allow and this is NOT I think what any of us want. For whatever my opinion is worth I hope you all will oppose this loud and clear.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Vint Cerf" <<A href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">November 11, 2005 10:10:40 AM EST</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">"'economics of ip networks'"</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Re:Vint an interview you did with me in 1997 is beingquoted on Nanog as reason to support the current so callednet neutrality bill</B></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">economics of ip networks </FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Gordon,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">today, you are typically charged based on the maximum capacity of the access circuit you "purchase" - that's flat rate. At the time (8 years ago) people wanted to have the burst rate but didn't want to pay for the unused capacity so we instituted a tiered pricing system that allowed them, e.g., to burst at 45 Mb/s but only pay for the effectively used capacity. As I recall, we used something like the 95th percentile as a measurement of capacity used - in other words, you paid for that capacity below which 95% of all sampled rates fell. I don't recall all the details but there may have been a fixed/variable structure. A fixed amount for having access to burst capacity of a certain size and a variable amount depending on average rate. the implication is that if you purchased a burst T1 and used half on the average you might pay less than if you purchased burst T3 and used only a half T1's worth. The somewhat higher charge would be a consequence of having access to a higher absolute rate/capacity. This idea may still have legs today although as speeds increase, and prices fall, it may not be nearly the same issue as it was eight years ago. You might ask MCI and other ISPs what their pricing structures are today for some perspective.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I do not see that tiered pricing is a neutrality threat. Neutrality has to do with differentiation with regard to the actual content carried (or service provided). If ISPs were to inspect packets and interfere with those of competing application providers (voice, video), I would consider that a violation of the principle of network neutrality. One might think of the notion of neutrality as the 21st C version of common carriage although I hesitate to draw the comparison if only because of the complex way in which "common carriage" concept and rules have evolved.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">vint</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><SPAN class="966534214-11112005"><FONT face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Vinton G Cerf</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Chief Internet Evangelist</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Google/Regus</FONT></DIV><DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;"></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Herndon, VA 20171</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><A href="mailto:vint@google.com">vint@google.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"><FONT face="Arial" size="2"><A href="http://www.google.com/">www.google.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir="ltr" align="left"> </DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><HR tabindex="-1"> <FONT face="Tahoma" size="2"><B>From:</B> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gordon Cook<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 11, 2005 9:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> economics of ip networks<BR><B>Subject:</B> Vint an interview you did with me in 1997 is beingquoted on Nanog as reason to support the current so callednet neutrality bill<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Any comments?</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Any comments from anyone?</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>From: </B><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><A href="mailto:sean@donelan.com">sean@donelan.com</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>Subject: </B><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]</B></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>Date: </B><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN>November 11, 2005 12:58:40 AM EST</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>To: </B><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><A href="mailto:christopher.morrow@mci.com">christopher.morrow@mci.com</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><B>Cc: </B><SPAN class="Apple-converted-tab"></SPAN><A href="mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">oops ;) my point wasn't that bandwidth wasn't necessary over X speed, it</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">was that the main motivator for consumer purchase was no long bandwidth</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">but price alone.</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">In 1997, Vint Cerf was advocating the necessity of usage based pricing</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">when he was still with MCI.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://www.cookreport.com/05.10.shtml">http://www.cookreport.com/05.10.shtml</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Although MCI has not yet made a formal announcement via a press release,</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Cerf explained that "we are plainly discussing this with you, Gordon,</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">and your readers." The MCI move is the outcome of what Cerf describes</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">as a crunch between the Internet's flat rate pricing model and usage</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">patterns where both the amount of use and disparity between use by</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">applications has increased dramatically.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Will consumers prefer to pay higher flat rate charges for everything, or</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">prefer different pricing models when they access applications which</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">require dramatically different service levels to include the cost as</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">part of an application specific fee?</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>From: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Gordon Cook <<A href="mailto:cook@cookreport.com">cook@cookreport.com</A>></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">November 11, 2005 9:11:17 AM EST</FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3">Owen DeLong <<A href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</A>></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>Cc: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"><A href="mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: #000000" face="Helvetica" color="#000000" size="3"><B>Subject: </B></FONT><FONT style="FONT: 12px Helvetica" face="Helvetica" size="3"><B>Re: [Latest draft of Internet regulation bill]</B></FONT></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Be careful Owen - i think you may be falling into a libertarian trap - worrisome because I respect highly things i have seen you write in past.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Think about what you are saying: " Something to consider about this proposed "regulation"... It is actually</DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">in many ways proposed "deregulation"</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Yes it is indeed. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>It frees the duopoly to do whatever it wants.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>And Whittacre has said what he wants and what he will do quite plainly -- has he not?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>He will charge google and yahoo and skype for using his networks.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Here is how this legislation is being read in London at a public telco blog<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>recently launched by DRKW the large investment bank:</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://telcotech.drkw.com/blog/archives/2005/11/will_evil_preva.html">http://telcotech.drkw.com/blog/archives/2005/11/will_evil_preva.html</A></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">"For all of our sakes lets hope that the telcos are not successful in their lobbying effort in the US. If they are successful, you can bet that your investment in the fixed telecoms utilities is safer but innovation on the internet is in jeopardy - which do you think creates more incremental future value in the world ultimately?"</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Vint Cerf is on my economics of IP networks private mail list.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>The DRKW blog post partially cited above came in part from a public item comment of Vint's that i posted day before yesterday to my private list.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It is fascinating that Sean Donelan whom I have known and respected since 1991 dug that 1997 item quote from Vint from my archives.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Donelan: "In 1997, Vint Cerf was advocating the necessity of usage based pricing when he was still with MCI.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><A href="http://www.cookreport.com/05.10.shtml">http://www.cookreport.com/05.10.shtml</A></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">COOK Report: Recall the date.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This is PRE stupid network and again VINT is taking the pre-internet pre stupid network telco point of view. I'll post this to my list and see if Vint has anything that he wants to say about this 8 year old opinion.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Owen, do you want some legislation that gives the CEO of ATT/SBC the world largest dinosaur a blank check to do as he wishes with *HIS* network.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This bills language is HIGHLY deceptive.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>I too despise government incompetence but giving Whittacre a blank check is IMHO much worse.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>But don't take my word for it - check out DRKW's analyst's opinion.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Fred Goldstein also has a pretty good analysis. <SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"></SPAN>I probably will not further respond to this thread discussion.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Please forgive me but I am swamped with many things that demand attention.</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">=============================================================</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">The COOK Report on Internet Protocol, 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">609 882-2572 (PSTN) 415 651-4147 (Lingo) <A href="mailto:cook@cookreport.com">cook@cookreport.com</A> Subscription</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">info: <A href="http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml">http://cookreport.com/subscriptions.shtml</A> IMS and<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>an Internet</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Economic<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>& Business Model<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>at: <A href="http://cookreport.com/14.09.shtml">http://cookreport.com/14.09.shtml</A></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">=============================================================</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">On Nov 11, 2005, at 1:38 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Something to consider about this proposed "regulation"... It is actually</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">in many ways proposed "deregulation".<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This bill removes more authority</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">from the FCC and state and local governments than it grants.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It provides</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">a very minimal framework of regulation, then, except for taxation and</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">a couple of other minor consumer protections, says "The government shall</DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">butt the hell out."</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">That's why I like it.</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">But Owen - what if getting evil gov't out gives Whittacre a blank check?</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Owen</DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>