Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List

Fri Feb 3 13:29:54 UTC 2023

Yet the independents are doing it anyway. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> 
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <lists at packetflux.com> 
Cc: "nanog list" <nanog at nanog.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM 
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List 

It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber or duct routes. Just old coax used for DOCSIS3 owned/run by the local cable incumbent and copper POTS wiring belonging to the ILEC. The cost to retrofit such a neighborhood and reach every house with a fiber architecture can be quite high in construction and labor. 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 9:14 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < lists at packetflux.com > wrote: 

The cost to build physical layer in much of the suburban and somewhat rural US is low enough anymore that lots of smaller, independent, ISPs are overbuilding the incumbent with fiber and taking a big chunk of their customer base because they are local and care. And making money while doing it. 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023, 8:22 AM Masataka Ohta < mohta at necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp > wrote: 

<blockquote>
Mike Hammett wrote: 

> I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent 
> operators will succeed. ;-) 

Because of natural regional monopoly at physical layer (cabling 
cost for a certain region is same between competitors but their 
revenues are proportional to their regional market shares), they 
can't succeed unless the physical layer is regulated to be 
unbundled, which is hard with PON. 

But, in US where regional telephone network has been operated 
by, unlike Europe/Japan, a private company enjoying natural 
regional monopoly, economic situation today should be no worse 
than that at that time. 

Masataka Ohta 

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