Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

Mon Sep 19 14:16:11 UTC 2022

>
> I highly recommend that legacy holders who wish to ensure that their
> rights are respected transfer their registrations to RIPE-NCC, whether they
> have signed the LRSA or not.
>

For the uninitiated, this is the crux of the disagreements. (Before I
begin, this is not a personal shot at Owen or anybody else.)

Allocations made before the RIR systems were created have no contracts or
covenants attached. Allocations made from the RIRs do.

The 'rights' claimed by legacy holders are therefore unenumerated ; their
argument is essentially 'nothing says I don't have these rights, so I say I
do'. This leads to the current situation, where the legacy holders don't
really want any case law or contractual agreements to enumerate what rights
they may (or may not) have, because if that happens, they would be
prevented from asserting some new right in the future. We all I think
acknowledge that technology often races out in front of the law, this
situation is no different.

Many people have legitimate concerns about policies at different RIRs, and
this isn't a shot at those either. But fundamentally, this has meant there
has been a 2 tier system since the inception of the RIRs that legacy
holders don't have to follow the same rules as the rest of us.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 1:52 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
wrote:

> I highly recommend that legacy holders who wish to ensure that their
> rights are respected transfer their registrations to RIPE-NCC, whether they
> have signed the LRSA or not.
>
> Transferring to RIPE-NCC as Legacy without Contract will afford you full
> respect for your rights in your resources in perpetuity (or at least as
> long as RIPE-NCC lasts) without requiring a contract and without having to
> pay fees.
>
> If you need to establish presence in Europe to satisfy RIPE’s
> requirements, a cheap virtual machine can be leased for a month or two to
> get through the process and is never verified or validated thereafter.
>
> I was an early signatory to the LRSA thinking I was doing the right thing.
> After the ARIN board changed end users from fee-per-ORG to fee-per-resource
> in order to get around the fee cap and bifurcated my org into two orgs
> (allowing them to charge even more), I came to regret that decision. Since
> transferring my legacy resources to RIPE-NCC, I have been considerably
> happier.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 2022, at 18:24 , Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We strongly encourage all legacy resource holders who have not yet
> >> signed an LRSA to cover their legacy resources to
> >
> > consult a competent lawyer before signing an LRSA
> >
> > randy
>
>
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