Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

John Curran jcurran at
Thu Sep 15 20:42:14 UTC 2022

NANOGers - 

	My bad – one typo in the message that follows; it should read “… it is important that ARIN not _sunset_ availability of the legacy fee cap …”    (NOT subset, subnet, subject, etc.)


John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

> On 15 Sep 2022, at 4:34 PM, John Curran <jcurran at> wrote:
> John - 
> Your summary is not inaccurate; I will note that ARIN’s approach is the result of aiming for 
> a different target – that more specifically being the lowest possible fees administered on an 
> equitable basis for _all resource holders_ in the region. 
> For more than two decades legacy resource holders have been provided the opportunity to 
> normalize their relations with ARIN by entry into an LRSA - thus receiving the same services
> on the same terms and conditions as all others in the region (and also with a favorable fee cap 
> applied to their total annual registry fees.)  While many folks have taken advantage of that
> offer over the years, it’s quite possible that all of those interested have already considered 
> the matter and hence going forward we are returning to the refrain of the entire community 
> in seeking the lowest fees applied equitably to all in the region. 
> As we’ve recently added more advanced services that may be of interest to many in the 
> community (RPKI and authenticated IRR) and also have just made a favorable simplification 
> to the RSA in section 7 (an area that has been problematic for some organizations in the past), 
> it is important that ARIN not subset availability of the legacy fee cap without significant notice, 
> as there many be a few folks out there who were unaware of LRSA with fee cap availability 
> and/or haven’t recently taken a look at the various tradeoffs. 
> In any case, legacy resource holders who don’t care for these advanced services (whose
> development and maintenance is paid for by the ARIN community) can simply continue to 
> maintain their legacy resources in the ARIN registry.  They do not have to do anything, as
> ARIN is continuing to provide basic registration services to the thousands of non-contracted 
> legacy resource holders (including online updates to your resources, reverse DNS services, 
> etc.) without fee or contract. 
> Thanks! 
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>> On 15 Sep 2022, at 3:41 PM, John Gilmore <gnu at> wrote:
>> John Curran wrote:
>>>> We strongly encourage all legacy resource holders who have not yet
>>>> signed an LRSA to cover their legacy resources to
>> Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
>>> consult a competent lawyer before signing an LRSA
>> Amen to that.  ARIN's stance on legacy resources has traditionally been
>> that ARIN would prefer to charge you annually for them, and then
>> "recover" them (take them away from you) if you ever stop paying, or if
>> they ever decide that you are not using them wisely.  If you once agree
>> to an ARIN contract, your resources lose their "legacy" status and you
>> become just another sharecropper subject to ARIN's future benevolence or
>> lack thereof.
>> The change recently announced by John Curran will make the situation
>> very slightly worse, by making ARIN's annual fees for legacy resources
>> changeable at their option, instead of being capped by contract.  ARIN
>> management could have changed their offer to be better, if they wanted
>> to attract legacy users, but they made an explicit choice to do the
>> opposite.
>> By contrast, RIPE has developed a much more welcoming stance on legacy
>> resources, including:
>> *  retaining the legacy status of resources after a transfer or sale
>> *  allowing resources to be registered without paying annual fees to RIPE
>>    (merely paying a one-time transaction fee), so that later non-payment
>>    of annual fees can't be used as an excuse to steal the resources.
>> *  agreeing that RIPE members will keep all their legacy resources even if
>>    they later cease to be RIPE members
>> You are within the RIPE service area if your network touches Europe,
>> northern Asia, or Greenland.  This can be as simple as having a rented
>> or donated server located in Europe, or as complicated as running a
>> worldwide service provider.  If you have a presence there, you can
>> transfer your worldwide resources out from under ARIN policies and put
>> them under RIPE's jurisdiction instead.
>> Moving to RIPE is not an unalloyed good; Europeans invented bureaucracy,
>> and RIPE pursues it with vigor.  And getting the above treatment may
>> require firmly asserting to RIPE that you want it, rather than accepting
>> the defaults.  But their motives are more benevolent than ARIN's toward
>> legacy resource holders; RIPE honestly seems to want to gather in legacy
>> resource holders, either as RIPE members or not, without reducing any of
>> the holders' rights or abilities.  I commend them for that.
>> Other RIRs may have other good or bad policies about legacy resource
>> holders.  As Randy proposed, consult a lawyer competent in legacy domain
>> registration issues before making any changes.
>> 	John

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