FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

John Levine johnl at iecc.com
Mon May 30 20:51:21 UTC 2022

It appears that Owen DeLong via NANOG <owen at delong.com> said:
>Forgive me if I have little or no sympathy for them.

The laws of physics make it rather difficult to provide symmetrical speeds on
shared media like coax or cellular radio.  As wired networks move to all fiber
they'll get more symmetrical but in the meantime I expect that Comcast, Spectrum,
Cox, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are deeply troubled by your disapproval.


>> On May 29, 2022, at 14:10, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is going to be very painful and difficult for a number of DOCSIS3 operators, including some of the largest ISPs in the USA with
>multi-millions of subscribers with tons of legacy coax plant that have no intention of ever changing the RF channel setup and
>downstream/upstream asymmetric bandwidth allocation to provide more than 15-20Mbps upstream per home. 
>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 16:59, Jeff Shultz <jeffshultz at sctcweb.com <mailto:jeffshultz at sctcweb.com>> wrote:
>> I think we have a winner here - we don't necessarily need 1G down, but we do need to get the upload speeds up to symmetrical 50/50,
>100/100 etc... there are enough people putting in HD security cameras and the like that upstream speeds are beginning to be an issue. 
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 4:37 AM David Bass <davidbass570 at gmail.com <mailto:davidbass570 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> The real problem most users experience isn’t that they have a gig, or even 100Mb of available download bandwidth…it’s that
>they infrequently are able to use that full bandwidth due to massive over subscription .  
>> The other issue is the minimal upload speed.  It’s fairly easy to consume the 10Mb that you’re typically getting as a
>residential customer.  Even “business class” broadband service has a pretty poor upload bandwidth limit.  
>> We are a pretty high usage family, and 100/10 has been adequate, but there’s been times when we are pegged at the 10 Mb upload
>limit, and we start to see issues. 
>> I’d say 25/5 is a minimum for a single person. 
>> Would 1 gig be nice…yeah as long as the upload speed is dramatically increased as part of that.  We would rarely use it, but that
>would likely be sufficient for a long time.  I wouldn’t pay for the extra at this point though. 

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