Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported

Christian de Larrinaga cdel at firsthand.net
Sun Mar 27 15:03:55 UTC 2022


On 27 March 2022 15:53:25 Brandon Butterworth <brandon at rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun Mar 27, 2022 at 12:31:48AM -0400, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:
>> EzIP proposes to deploy 240/4
>> address based RANs, each tethering off the current Internet via one IPv4
>> public address.
>
> So each RAN has no possibility of redundant connections? Nobody
> of scale would accept such a limitation. It also looks like an
> opportunity for telcos/governments to partition their part
> of the internet and impose whatever censorship they wish.
>
>> As such, the collection of RANs forms an overlay network
>> layer wrapping around the current Internet core. Consequently, only the
>> SPRs in the RAN need to be able to transport 240/4 addressed packets.
>
> You previously described this as like connecting CG-NATs together via a
> VPN. I don't see why we'd want to add maintaining a global VPN to
> already difficult peering relationships. It could be used to exlude non
> EzIP club members.
>
>> This is why we talk about enabling new (but based on existing design)
>> routers to use 240/4 netblock for serving as SPRs, but not perturbing
>> any routers in the current Internet.
>
> As it's a CG-NAT variant why are you delaying yourself by requiring
> new address space that will take a long time to become available? Why
> not use the already allocated space for CG-NAT? Sure it's only a /10
> but that's an already (probably too) large RAN.
>
> It also seems unfeasibly optimistic that if the work was done globally
> to make 240/4 useable that they'd want to dedicate it to the as yet
> undeployed EzIP. You might stand more chance if you gained some
> critical mass using the existing available 100.64/10 & rfc1918 space,
> and then those that find they need more in one RAN will make the case
> for 240/4 when it becomes necessary for them. Is 240/4 special to
> EzIP such that alternative numbers may not be used?
>
>> I would like to share one intriguing graphics (see URL below) that
>> is almost perfect for depicting the EzIP deployment configuration.
>> Consider the blue sphere as the earth or the current Internet core and
>> the golden colored land as the RANs. By connecting each continent,
>> country or all the way down to a Region to the earth via one IPv4
>> address, we have the EzIP configuration. With this architecture, each
>> RAN looks like a private network.
>
> That sounds an entirely undesirable goal for the internet.
>
> brandon

It isn't the Internet. It's at best a very poorly connected spur gateway.

Too many today don't remember the towers of Babel world prior to the 
Internet. If they did they'd understand that building on this type of idea 
is like burying yourself.... And any customers so unwise to get involved

C

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