CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

Tom Beecher beecher at
Wed Mar 16 12:28:36 UTC 2022

No quibble about the discussion happening on a NOG list, not at all.

But frankly unless the proposal is even starting to move forward in the
IETF process such that a standards change is possible, it's just noise. ( I
don't predict that the draft being discussed ever gets that far anyways ;
it has serious deficiencies.)

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 6:53 PM Greg Skinner via NANOG <nanog at>

> I agree.  iMO, this 240/4 issue is another one of those tussles in
> cyberspace
> <>.   But
> I don’t fault IETF people or anyone else who pursues technical solutions to
> these types of problems as long as they are open and honest about the
> limitations of these solutions.
> Also, IMO, the value of having a discussion about this issue here (and
> other NOG forums) is to get the perspective of people who (generally
> speaking) deal more immediately with the problems the broader “online"
> population has with IETF-based technology.
> —gregbo
> On Mar 8, 2022, at 9:25 PM, bzs at wrote:
> I'm beginning to wonder if the internet will survive the ipv6 adoption
> debates.
> Here's the real problem which you all can promptly ignore:
> The IETF et al are full of bright technical people who can design
> protocols, packet formats, etc.
> But many of the major problems facing the internet are not, at their
> core, engineering problems.
> They're in the realm of social, legal, marketing, politics, int'l
> policy, governance, law enforcement, commerce, economics, sociology,
> psychology, etc. which TBH as bright as many of the engineers et al
> are these problems are way beyond their ken, occasional polymath
> excepted.
> But first you have to admit you have a problem, and limitations.
> Shouting at the rafters about address space depletion etc while waving
> RFCs may not quite do it.
> Similar can be said about spam, malware attacks, phishing, etc.
> Yet another cryptographic protocol probably won't save the day but as
> the expression goes when all you have is a hammer the whole world
> looks like a nail.
> --
>        -Barry Shein
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