"Permanent" DST

Doug Barton dougb at dougbarton.us
Wed Mar 16 05:16:02 UTC 2022

All of this. The reason that the proposal is always worded "Permanent 
Daylight Savings Time" is that there are a non-trivial number of people 
who genuinely believe that with DST we get more sunlight. Not more 
sunlight during the hours when most people are awake, literally more 

In a world where institutional hours don't change, (schools, workplaces, 
etc.) DST actually makes sense because it more closely aligns the ideas 
of "morning" and "evening" with most people's schedules. For the most 
part people complaining about the change are actually reacting to the 
lengthening and/or shortening daylight hours. The fixed point to change 
the clocks just gives them something to focus on.

Keeping everything on standard time and adjusting schedules makes the 
most sense for letting kids travel too and from with the most daylight 
possible; but taking just the example of working parents, they would 
need all of their kids' schools to agree to the same change, as well as 
their workplace.

Alas, the true solution is education.

On 3/15/22 3:09 PM, Matthew Huff wrote:
> They don't want their names on it when what happened in the 70s happens again. The effect of setting everything to DST and staying there is that in the winter, especially in the norther latitude it will be pitch dark during most of the morning when children get picked up at school bus stops. When the tragedy happens again, and it will, they will end up undoing this again...
> History repeats itself, first as a tragedy, then as a farce...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+mhuff=ox.com at nanog.org> On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:30 PM
> To: Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc>
> Cc: nanog at nanog.org list <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST
> Oh.  This was "Unanimous Consent"?  AKA "I want to vote for this, but *I do not want to be held responsible for having voted for it when it blows up*?"
> I'd missed that; thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher at beecher.cc>
>> To: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "nanog at nanog.org list" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:04:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST
>> I would say if something passes the United States Senate in our
>> current political environment by unanimous consent (which this did) ,
>> I kinda feel like there won't be a ton of issues with everybody
>> figuring out how to line themselves up appropriately.
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That is true but at present everything business related in BC has a
>>> clear expectation of being in the same time zone as WA/OR/CA, and AB
>>> matches US Mountain time.
>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 13:35, Paul Ebersman <list-nanog2 at dragon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be
>>>> eric> a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing
>>>> eric> the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done
>>>> eric> consistently throughout North America.
>>>> You must not have ever dealt with Indiana, where it was DST or not
>>>> by choice per county. It wasn't quite the cluster***k you'd think.

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