"Permanent" DST

Jason Baugher jasonbaugher at adamstel.com
Tue Mar 15 21:09:34 UTC 2022

Agreed, it seems pretty foolish to move us to “permanent” DST instead of just going with standard time, as far as offset from UTC goes.

If I had my way, the world would just use UTC and drop all the timezone stuff. But small steps, getting rid of the DST change is a good start.


From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jasonbaugher=adamstel.com at nanog.org> On Behalf Of Brian R
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST

Thanks for finding the clarification on this Ray.

I'm with the OP Jay that this will cause long term problems.  The 15 degrees is not mentioned in the document just the change from "Standard Time" to "Daylight Time" permanently (they probably don't even understand it is in 15 degree increments).  This will cause problems in systems across many sectors.  The entire world works on UTC + or - on a 15 degree scale.  Except now the US which will be 15 degree scale -15 degrees.  I doubt Canada, Central, or South Americas are going to follow this so the United States will always be 15 degrees off of what is considered "Standard Time" by the world.
The better solution would be to remove DST all together and tell everyone in the US to start work at 07:00 and get off work at 16:00 every day.

From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+briansupport=hotmail.com at nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces+briansupport=hotmail.com at nanog.org>> on behalf of Ray Van Dolson via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org<mailto:nanog at nanog.org>>
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Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST

I think this is essentially the bill:


Not finding anything about 15 degrees.


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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rvandolson=esri.com at nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces+rvandolson=esri.com at nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
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Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST

I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from your language the bill will be permanent standard time.

I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more clearly.

-mel via cell

> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com<mailto:jra at baylink.com>> wrote:
> In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would
> 1) Cancel DST permanently, and
> 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east.
> My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric.  Hopefully,
> it will fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational time
> worldwide, and even if you do log in UTC, it will still make your life difficult.
> I'm poleaxed; I can't even decide which grounds to scream about this on...
> Hopefully, the House or the White House will be more coherent in their
> decision on this engineering construct.
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
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