"Permanent" DST

Tue Mar 15 20:12:34 UTC 2022

Since the nominal (15 degree slice) boundary between Mountain and Pacific goes right through the Phoenix metro area, it sort of makes sense that Arizona would stay on the same time year round.

Michael

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 15:44:12, Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org> wrote:
> 
> We already have this problem with Arizona, which never changes time for the summer. 
> 
> -mel via cell
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done consistently throughout North America. 
>> 
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 12:35, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:
>> The bill is "permanently move all US time zones one hour earlier (-8 thru -5 is 
>> replaced permanently with -7 thru -4).
>> 
>> They are *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's happening, 
>> in my engineering appraisal.  Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim 
>> to professional opinions there.
>> -- jra
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Mel Beckman" <mel at beckman.org>
>> > To: "jra" <jra at baylink.com>
>> > Cc: "nanog at nanog.org list" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:19:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST
>> 
>> > I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen
>> > degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from
>> > your language the bill will be permanent standard time.
>> > 
>> > I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more
>> > clearly.
>> > 
>> > -mel via cell
>> > 
>> >> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Jay R. Ashworth <jra at baylink.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would
>> >> 
>> >> 1) Cancel DST permanently, and
>> >> 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east.
>> >> 
>> >> My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric.  Hopefully, it will
>> >> fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational time worldwide, and even
>> >> if you do log in UTC, it will still make your life difficult.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm poleaxed; I can't even decide which grounds to scream about this on...
>> >> 
>> >> Hopefully, the House or the White House will be more coherent in their
>> >> decision on this engineering construct.
>> >> 
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> -- jra
>> >> 
>> >> --
>> >> Jay R. Ashworth                  Baylink                       jra at baylink.com
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>> -- 
>> Jay R. Ashworth                  Baylink                       jra at baylink.com
>> Designer                     The Things I Think                       RFC 2100
>> Ashworth & Associates       http://www.bcp38.info          2000 Land Rover DII
>> St Petersburg FL USA      BCP38: Ask For It By Name!           +1 727 647 1274