V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

Abraham Y. Chen aychen at avinta.com
Fri Mar 11 20:06:42 UTC 2022

Hi, Ca By:

1)    Re: Ur. Pt. 1) " ... the number is 46% in the USA.  ":    Whoa! 
Your revised number is even higher. And, I could round it up to 50%! 
Seriously, please be specific about where are you reading the number 
that you are reporting? I commented after reading your second reference, 
because I could not find relevant data from the first one. Is there 
something hidden there? Please identify.

2)    Re: Ur. Pt. 2): I have to wait for your clarification for Pt. 1) 
above to proceed with these additional statements.


Abe (2022-03-11 15:06)

On 2022-03-11 11:19, Ca By wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:15 AM Abraham Y. Chen <aychen at avinta.com> wrote:
>     Dear Ca By:
>     1)    It appears that you are reading the Google graph too
>     optimistically, or incorrectly. That is, the highest peaks of the
>     graph are about 38%. The average of the graph is about 36%. Citing
>     "over 40%" from these is a gross exaggeration. In fact, the peaks
>     were reached on weekends and holidays due to more residential
>     usage, you can clearly see such by zooming into the graph. In
>     addition, the graph has been exhibiting an asymptomatic trend ever
>     since a few years back. The COVID-19 pushed this graph up a bit
>     due to the lock-down and work-from-home factors. Below was an
>     analysis pre-pandemic:
> Sorry for being imprecise in my communication, the number is 46% in 
> the USA.
>     https://circleid.com/posts/20190529_digging_into_ipv6_traffic_to_google_is_28_percent_deployment_limit/
>     2)    Since Google is one of the stronger IPv6 promoters, usage of
>     IPv6 outside of the Google domain can only be lower, by simple
>     logic deduction.
> Google’s number represents how many users reach it over ipv6. Given 
> Google’s ubiquity in the usa, it is a fair barometer for the usa at 
> large.  This data is helpful for content providers  estimating demand 
> for ipv6 (46% of users will use ipv6 if it is available)  and for the 
> network operator community to understand where their peers sit.
> In summary, there is a lot of ipv6 on the usa internet today. Almost 
> half for Google, per their published numbers. Over 75% end to end ipv6 
> on some large mobile networks.  Hence my appeal to view published data.
> Reading anecdotal Nanog mails from a handful of folks concluding ipv6 
> has failed will not leave the passive impartial observer with an 
> accurate view.
>     Regards,
>     Abe (2022-03-11 10:11)
>     ------------------------------
>     NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 12
>     Message: 12
>     Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:00:17 -0800
>     From: Ca By<cb.list6 at gmail.com>  <mailto:cb.list6 at gmail.com>
>     To: Saku Ytti<saku at ytti.fi>  <mailto:saku at ytti.fi>
>     Cc: Joe Greco<jgreco at ns.sol.net>  <mailto:jgreco at ns.sol.net>,nanog at nanog.org
>     Subject: Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members
>     	(was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4
>     	NetBlock))
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>     On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:56 PM Saku Ytti<saku at ytti.fi>  <mailto:saku at ytti.fi>  wrote:
>>     On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 21:00, Joe Greco<jgreco at ns.sol.net>  <mailto:jgreco at ns.sol.net>  wrote:
>>>     I really never thought it'd be 2022 and my networks would be still
>>>     heavily v4.  Mind boggling.
>>     Same. And if we don't voluntarily agree to do something to it, it'll
>>     be the same in 2042, we fucked up and those who come after us pay the
>>     price of the insane amount of work and cost dual stack causes.
>>     It is solvable, easily and cheaply, like most problems (energy,
>>     climate), but not when so many poor leaders participate in decision
>>     making.
>>     --
>>        ++ytti
>     Ah, the quarterly ipv6 thread? where i remind you all? most of the USA is
>     on ipv6 (all your smartphone, many of your home router, a growing amount of
>     your clouds [i see you aws])
>     https://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/
>     Google sees over 40% of their users on ipv6, with superior latency
>     https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
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