V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members, (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4, NetBlock))

Ca By cb.list6 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 11 16:19:40 UTC 2022

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:15 AM Abraham Y. Chen <aychen at avinta.com> wrote:

> Dear Ca By:
> 1)    It appears that you are reading the Google graph too optimistically,
> or incorrectly. That is, the highest peaks of the graph are about 38%. The
> average of the graph is about 36%. Citing "over 40%" from these is a gross
> exaggeration. In fact, the peaks were reached on weekends and holidays due
> to more residential usage, you can clearly see such by zooming into the
> graph. In addition, the graph has been exhibiting an asymptomatic trend
> ever since a few years back. The COVID-19 pushed this graph up a bit due to
> the lock-down and work-from-home factors. Below was an analysis
> pre-pandemic:

Sorry for being imprecise in my communication, the number is 46% in the USA.

> https://circleid.com/posts/20190529_digging_into_ipv6_traffic_to_google_is_28_percent_deployment_limit/
> 2)    Since Google is one of the stronger IPv6 promoters, usage of IPv6
> outside of the Google domain can only be lower, by simple logic deduction.
Google’s number represents how many users reach it over ipv6. Given
Google’s ubiquity in the usa, it is a fair barometer for the usa at large.
This data is helpful for content providers  estimating demand for ipv6 (46%
of users will use ipv6 if it is available)  and for the network operator
community to understand where their peers sit.

In summary, there is a lot of ipv6 on the usa internet today. Almost half
for Google, per their published numbers. Over 75% end to end ipv6 on some
large mobile networks.  Hence my appeal to view published data.

Reading anecdotal Nanog mails from a handful of folks concluding ipv6 has
failed will not leave the passive impartial observer with an accurate view.

> Abe (2022-03-11 10:11)
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> NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 12
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:00:17 -0800
> From: Ca By <cb.list6 at gmail.com> <cb.list6 at gmail.com>
> To: Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> <saku at ytti.fi>
> Cc: Joe Greco <jgreco at ns.sol.net> <jgreco at ns.sol.net>, nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: V6 still not supported (was Re: CC: s to Non List Members
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> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:56 PM Saku Ytti <saku at ytti.fi> <saku at ytti.fi> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 21:00, Joe Greco <jgreco at ns.sol.net> <jgreco at ns.sol.net> wrote:
> I really never thought it'd be 2022 and my networks would be still
> heavily v4.  Mind boggling.
> Same. And if we don't voluntarily agree to do something to it, it'll
> be the same in 2042, we fucked up and those who come after us pay the
> price of the insane amount of work and cost dual stack causes.
> It is solvable, easily and cheaply, like most problems (energy,
> climate), but not when so many poor leaders participate in decision
> making.
> --
>   ++ytti
> Ah, the quarterly ipv6 thread? where i remind you all? most of the USA is
> on ipv6 (all your smartphone, many of your home router, a growing amount of
> your clouds [i see you aws])
> https://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/
> Google sees over 40% of their users on ipv6, with superior latency
> https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
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