CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

Joe Maimon jmaimon at
Thu Mar 10 17:41:10 UTC 2022

Tom Beecher wrote:
> The only way IPv6 will ever be ubiquitous is if there comes a time 
> where there is some forcing event that requires it to be.
> Unless that occurs, people will continue to spend time and energy 
> coming up with ways to squeeze the blood out of v4 that could have 
> been used to get v6 going instead. I don't foresee anything changing 
> for most of the rest of our careers, and possibly the next generation 
> behind us.
I dont think it is as bad as that, but what you are implicitly saying is 
that even multi-decades efforts to prolong IPv4 have clear justification 
to begin now, if not sooner.

As for the rest of this popular meme, instead of aspirations to force a 
chosen technology down the throats of many clearly unwilling and/or 
uninterested parties whom make up a still significant percentage of the 
internet, perhaps more effort should be expended on

A) making the chosen technology more attractive, more useful, more 
deployable, more compatible, etc. Because clearly its not enough of 
those things for many, regardless of whatever personal experience or 
theories you may have on the matter.

B) Keeping the rest of the internet as functional as possible, with 
whatever tradeoffs make send, for the actual potential duration of A 
instead of pie-in-the-sky estimates. Which have a 100% track record of 
being wrong.

Persuasion, not coercion. Which even if it were possible, is wrong and 

The internet is supposed to be about mutually beneficial cooperation, 
not hierarchical coercion.


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