V6 still not supported

Josh Luthman josh at imaginenetworksllc.com
Thu Mar 10 15:36:43 UTC 2022

Absolutely.  This makes for good discussion.

Strictly on the FTTH end of things to make it simpler (since that's where
our growth is).  We're very much residential with the commercial customers
being farmers, home based mechanics/construction/horse stables, and the
like - less Netflix and more websites.

1.  Our ONT (gpon+nat+wifi) I'm all but certain would work out of the box.
Now if the customer wants their own router in which case I guess we force
them into one methodology for v6 (correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't a
standard way to deploy v6 globally like DHCP, it needs RA which leads into
obvious issues with the kid's 14 antenna Netgear).
2.  Calix supports it (OLT), I suppose we would just need to enable v6 on
the DNS servers and we're done
3.  I don't believe our software supports it, but I'm not certain,
obviously I haven't looked

The biggest issue you completely left out is operational.  I'd have to
spend time adding on v6, which is a bit of a time sink but at least there's
a nearby finish line.  Time I'm not getting fiber hooked up to houses.  Now
when (not if, we all know nothing is perfect) there are issues with v6 but
not v4 I have to figure out why "my internet is slow" when v6 has
problems.  Setting something up once, be it fiber or v6, is a one time
capex.  Ongoing support problems are indefinite opex.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:20 AM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:

> I would like to ask an earnest question here, because I work in an
> environment where IPv6 has been deployed for more than a decade, and it's
> just automatically part of things we do and have to solve for, so I will
> openly admit my perspective can be warped. I am truly curious about what
> the perceived blockers are for you, and others with the same perspective.
> You appear to run a residential ISP. There are essentially 3 things you
> would have to do to deploy IPv6.
> 1. CPE would need to support it.
> 2. Your network infrastructure would have to support it.
> 3. Subscriber services ( DHCP / DNS / IPAM ) would have to support it.
> Putting aside the 'zero value' idea, if you were to decide to take steps
> today , what are your blockers?
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:59 AM Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>> Gary,
>> I'm the owner of the business.  I answer a lot of tier 1 support calls.
>> I read every single ticket summary.  It's not denial, it's just that I'm
>> small enough to be able to follow up on every support issue.  You can claim
>> bull if you want but my evidence can beat up your claim.
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary E. Miller <gem at rellim.com> wrote:
>>> Yo Josh!
>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0500
>>> Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> > Customers have 0 complaints about IPv6.  0 Complaints since 2006.
>>> Bull.  I have not complained to any corporation in the last 5 years
>>> where the stanard response was not "We've never heard that complaint
>>> before".  recently every one I my street complained about the same
>>> things at the same time, but we all got that response.
>>> Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
>>> RGDS
>>> GARY
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Gary E. Miller Rellim 109 NW Wilmington Ave., Suite E, Bend, OR 97703
>>>         gem at rellim.com  Tel:+1 541 382 8588
>>>             Veritas liberabit vos. -- Quid est veritas?
>>>     "If you can't measure it, you can't improve it." - Lord Kelvin
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