202203090732.AYC Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

Wed Mar 9 17:26:10 UTC 2022

 Mr. Chen:

Would you please stop changing the subject line with an added date stamp
every time you post? It fouls threaded email readers and is most
inconsiderate.

In addition, I respectfully encourage you to trim the recipients to just
the mailnig list and the specific individual to whom you are sending a
reply.

Thanks,
Bill Herrin

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:19 AM William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> Mr. Chen:
>
> Would you please stop changing the subject line with an added date stamp
> every time you post? It fouls threaded email readers and is most
> inconsiderate.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:09 AM Abraham Y. Chen <aychen at avinta.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear John:
>>
>> 1)    Thanks for your comment on how eMail headers could be used.
>>
>> Dear Bill:
>>
>> 2)    I am glad that you agree that it should be a viable discussion on
>> making use of the 240/4 netblock, while waiting for IPv6 to deliver its
>> promises.
>>
>> 3)    As to your question about where does IPv6 stand today and where is
>> it heading, I like to highlight a recent APNIC blog that you may have read.
>> It also appeared on CircleID. After a long recount of the history, the
>> author seems to hint that 1995 may be the new starting point for looking
>> forward.
>>
>>
>> https://blog.apnic.net/2022/02/21/another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=apnic-blog-weekly-wrap_4
>>
>>
>>
>> https://circleid.com/posts/20220220-another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6
>>
>> 4)    We fully realize that the EzIP approach is quite unorthodox. As
>> such, we received numerous quick criticisms in the past. With the proposal
>> now put together, we do hope colleagues on this list will take the time
>> to review its specifics. I look forward to comments and critiques on its
>> merits.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Abe (2022-03-09 12:08)
>>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: 8 Mar 2022 15:32:36 -0500
>> From: "John Levine" <johnl at iecc.com> <johnl at iecc.com>
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
>> 	202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)
>> Message-ID: <20220308203237.53E7038B1B83 at ary.qy> <20220308203237.53E7038B1B83 at ary.qy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> It appears that Anne Mitchell <amitchell at isipp.com> <amitchell at isipp.com> said:
>>
>> Cc: NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> <nanog at nanog.org>, Greg Skinner <gregskinner0 at icloud.com> <gregskinner0 at icloud.com>, "Karandikar, Abhay" <Director at iitk.ac.in> <Director at iitk.ac.in>, Rama Ati
>>
>> <rama_ati at outlook.com> <rama_ati at outlook.com>, Bob Corner GMAIL <bobbiecorner at gmail.com> <bobbiecorner at gmail.com>, "Hsing, T. Russell" <tHsing at ieee.org> <tHsing at ieee.org>, "Chen, Henry C.J."<hcjchen at avinta.com> <hcjchen at avinta.com>, ST Hsieh <uschinaeetc at gmail.com> <uschinaeetc at gmail.com>, "Chen, Abraham Y." <AYChen at alum.mit.edu> <AYChen at alum.mit.edu>
>>
>> This is a whole lot of cc:s to people who aren't even part of this group/list.  One wonders with this many cc:s, how many bcc:s there also were, and to whom.
>>
>> There are several thousand people on the NANOG list, and public web archives.  I don't think this
>> is a useful question.
>>
>> FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea.  To be useful it would require
>> that every host on the Internet update its network stack, which would take on the order of
>> a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two.  It's basically
>> the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
>>
>> R's,
>> John
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 13:11:58 -0800
>> From: William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> <bill at herrin.us>
>> To: John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> <johnl at iecc.com>
>> Cc: "nanog at nanog.org" <nanog at nanog.org> <nanog at nanog.org> <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
>> 	202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CAP-guGVCXC_8H+wgriM=Vv0bqPg4+arw0pXhcQhh7rccrxVxEg at mail.gmail.com> <CAP-guGVCXC_8H+wgriM=Vv0bqPg4+arw0pXhcQhh7rccrxVxEg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 12:34 PM John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea.  To be useful it would require
>> that every host on the Internet update its network stack,
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> That's incorrect and obviously so. While repurposing 240/4 as general
>> purpose Internet addresses might require that level of effort, other
>> uses such as local LAN addressing would only require the equipment on
>> that one lan to be updated -- a much more attainable goal.
>>
>> Reallocating 240/4 as unpurposed unicast address space would allow
>> some standards-compliant uses to become practical before others. A few
>> quite quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> which would take on the order of
>> a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two.  It's basically
>> the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
>>
>> Is it not past time we admit that we have no real idea what the
>> schedule or level of effort will be for making IPv6 ubiquitous? This
>> year it was more than last year and next year it'll probably be more
>> than this year. The more precise predictions all seem to have fallen
>> flat.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Herrinbill at herrin.ushttps://bill.herrin.us/
>>
>>
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