home router battery backup

Michael Thomas mike at mtcc.com
Wed Jan 12 23:08:33 UTC 2022

On 1/12/22 2:37 PM, Ahmed elBornou wrote:
> Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on 
> the rise across different states and if this is expected to continue ?

Climate change. We're living it. That and PG&E is corrupt.


> Ahmed
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com> wrote:
>     On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote:
>     >
>     >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
>     <nanog at nanog.org> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth
>     <andy at andyring.com> wrote:
>     >> Given that most people barely even know what their home router
>     is, I suspect the percentage would be somewhere south of 1
>     percent. Outside of my home, I honestly cannot recall EVER seeing
>     someone’s home using a battery backup for their internet
>     infrastructure.
>     >>
>     >> Same here.  The only people I've seen that have battery backups
>     for their home routers are fellow geeks.  I even bought one and
>     shipped it to my ~70-year-old mother...and she just doesn't want
>     to install it.  "Too complicated".
>     >>
>     >> I personally do, but of course I (and probably everyone on this
>     list) am by no means representative of the population at large in
>     this particular area.
>     >>
>     >> Same.  My home office has 3 Cyberpower 2500 VA
>     double-conversion UPS units backed by Champion transfer switches. 
>     Power goes out, and ~45 seconds later I'm running on generator power.
>     >> My local ISP runs out of power well before I do. Thankfully
>     there's Starlink.
>     >>
>     >> Short of an asteroid hitting my office, it's highly unlikely
>     I'll ever be offline. ;)
>     > In my case (California, home of SCE and PG&E), we have been
>     notified by our electrical grid operators that power can go down
>     at any time, for any reason, and any duration. I have just moved,
>     so I am speaking in a historical context and future plans, but we
>     have solar electricity as well and have a battery in the home that
>     in effect backs up part of the house. We don't back up the
>     Internet service, because frankly if power is down in the grid I'm
>     not sure my favorite router is all that important, in addition to
>     the considerations already mentioned. But power can and does go
>     down - even without asteroids.
>     We just installed a battery too, but it will probably only last ~1
>     day
>     and much less than that in winter. We're in the process of looking
>     at a
>     generator that interfaces directly with the inverter so that it
>     handles
>     the grid, the battery, the solar and the generator along with the
>     transfer switch. It's gone from being the occasional nuisance in the
>     winter to all year long these days. Our power outage over the
>     holidays
>     lasted 12 days. This isn't just a rural problem anymore in
>     California,
>     it's a pretty much everywhere problem now.
>     Mike
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