(off list) Re: cogent and henet not peering
volkirik at gmail.com
Sun Aug 21 02:10:29 UTC 2022
you can always be at my service.
as i am the god.
working 7/24 at no markup.
god's hotline. IM always responded. calls maybe.
i mean the allah.
21.08.2022 05:06 tarihinde jkinney23 at yahoo.ca yazdı:
> I am still all riled up. I can't get over him sending that message.
> I'm glad I want to check out his linkedin profile.
> Happy I could be of service to you. :)
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:00:15 p.m. PDT, VOLKAN KIRIK
> <volkirik at gmail.com> wrote:
> if you are happy i am happy.
> i dont care negative people much.
> 21.08.2022 04:53 tarihinde jkinney23 at yahoo.ca
> <mailto:jkinney23 at yahoo.ca> yazdı:
> Hey Volkan,
> I just emailed the list moderator to let them know it was optional to
> post my message to the list. As long as you know some twit with
> three years experience running around calling himself executive
> director just harassed you, I'm happy.
> Have a great day!
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:50:05 p.m. PDT, VOLKAN KIRIK
> <volkirik at gmail.com> <mailto:volkirik at gmail.com> wrote:
> 21.08.2022 04:28 tarihinde jkinney23 at yahoo.ca
> <mailto:jkinney23 at yahoo.ca> yazdı:
> Good thing they have someone with a dish washing skill-set to clean up
> their inbox's for them.
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:01:34 p.m. PDT, Peter Potvin via
> NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> <mailto:nanog at nanog.org> wrote:
> Hey all,
> Removing Cogent personnel and peering departments from this thread as
> I'm sure they don't appreciate the nonsense coming from this list.
> Peter Potvin | Executive Director
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> On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 8:51 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik at gmail.com
> <mailto:volkirik at gmail.com>> wrote:
> yea whatever..
> its upto mike leber and dave schaeffer to decide. they can either
> accept or reject the solution
> I have been always believing content creator/provider should pay
> expenses (at least excess traffic).
> because they put their server in some datacenter and reach all of
> the internet.. their backbone expenses are less..
> i can understand that todays datacenters including he.net
> <http://he.net> are interested to participate in 200-300 IXPs.
> well that acceptable. it should be considered too
> so i would offer both companies 3 cent per mbps for excess traffic.
> ok bye
> 21.08.2022 03:25 tarihinde Forrest Christian (List Account) yazdı:
>> But that traffic was likely requested by and for the benefit of
>> the person the traffic is being sent to.
>> I've always found the argument that the quantity of traffic is
>> the indicator of who should pay to be questionable.
>> If I'm an end user on an eyeball user and request a big download
>> or streaming from a provider, isn't it me that caused that
>> traffic to flow? One could argue that I am the one that needs to
>> On the other hand, one could argue that it's the provider of the
>> content that I requested that needs to pay, since it's their
>> content which is being distributed.
>> When you get to peering between two providers it's almost
>> impossible to decide who needs to pay. As I mentioned above,
>> passing that traffic is actually to the benefit of both providers.
>> About the only settlement I could see is where one of the
>> providers is bearing most of the transport costs. For example a
>> regional provider only peering at one exchange point might expect
>> some settlement costs with a big international provider that is
>> effectively carrying their traffic both directions around the
>> globe. But the quantity of that type of traffic is likely
>> minimal in the grand scheme of things. Even then one might
>> argue that connectivity to the small provider is still valuable
>> to the customers of the large provider.
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 9:32 AM VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik at gmail.com
>> <mailto:volkirik at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.
>> as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.
>> what do you think?
>> 19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett yazdı:
>>> The problem them becomes *who* pays? When do the tables turn
>>> as to who pays?
>>> The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?
>>> The network with more POPs gets paid?
>>> The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?
>>> Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> *From: *"VOLKAN KIRIK" <volkirik at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:volkirik at gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:rubensk at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *nanog at nanog.org <mailto:nanog at nanog.org>,
>>> dschaeffer at cogentco.com <mailto:dschaeffer at cogentco.com>,
>>> peering at cogentco.com <mailto:peering at cogentco.com>
>>> *Sent: *Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: cogent and henet not peering
>>> this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.
>>> but everyone can.
>>> lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net <http://he.net> pays
>>> their own ip transit price to cogent for paid peering excess
>>> amount and both sides monitor traffic
>>> we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...
>>> both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.
>>> level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA
>>> maybe?). why wouldnt mleber?
>>> but to make it fair, as he.net <http://he.net> becomes ww
>>> tier-1 operator day-by-day, lets just limit pricing to
>>> excess amount of traffic
>>> thanks for reading
>>> would appreciate your support
>>> 19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl yazdı:
>>> OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is onegood reason to not contract their services.I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.RubensOn Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK<volkirik at gmail.com> <mailto:volkirik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common withhe.net <http://he.net> for free.BUT they will rate-limithe.net <http://he.net> links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...okay?fine?come on people,segmentation is bad.
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