[External] Re: Google Abuse

Wed Aug 17 21:13:04 UTC 2022

 Someone in this discussion has a good mindset for security.

Everyone in it has responsibilities towards protecting users from harm.

Thank you.

Jason

Jason Kinney
Ethical Technologist
Surrey, BC, Canada
jkinney23 at yahoo.ca

     On Wednesday, August 17, 2022, 09:22:33 a.m. PDT, Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:  

some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news
outlets.

 That conclusion, based on the methodology described, would be wrong, and that should be called out. 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 12:09 PM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog at uah.edu> wrote:

Sure, that's why I said that in my third paragraph.

But once we know that they do, in fact, filter messages, we can
understand why it might *seem* like they filter based on political
content.
For example, if a left-leaning news outlet uses bit.ly URLs, and a
right-leaning one uses goo.gl URLs, and T-Mo filters all goo.gl URLs,
some might conclude that "T-Mobile filters links to right-leaning news
outlets."

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On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:06 AM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>
> Spam filtering is clearly not the accusation that was laid out.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 11:48 AM Hunter Fuller <hf0002+nanog at uah.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't call it a serious claim. By their own admission T-Mobile
>> filters messages based on content.
>>
>> https://community.t-mobile.com/accounts-services-4/can-t-send-receive-texts-that-contain-goo-gl-7776
>>
>> Now, there is no indication I'm aware of, that it is political in
>> nature. But they do, factually, throw away messages based on their
>> content.
>>
>> --
>> Hunter Fuller (they)
>> Router Jockey
>> VBH M-1C
>> +1 256 824 5331
>>
>> Office of Information Technology
>> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>> Network Engineering
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:46 AM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>> >
>> > It's a pretty serious claim to say that cell providers were selectively not delivering messages based on content.
>> >
>> > Unless you have some more concrete evidence beyond "I sent a few texts" , this list is no place for such things, nor the insinuation of political agendas.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr at 757.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and
>> >> > if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”.
>> >> > -richey
>> >>
>> >> During Covid hysteria cellular carriers were definitly scrubbing text
>> >> messages that contained things against whatever the agenda was.
>> >>
>> >> There was no errors from the cellular carriers that the message didn't go
>> >> through, it just never arrived to the destination. Tested it first hand,
>> >> T-Mobile to Verizon, T-Mobile to AT&T and vice versa. Payload was links to
>> >> a few websites that weren't popular with the left, like that Doctor Robert
>> >> Malone guy. These were not using URL shorteners that are sometimes
>> >> considered spam.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>                         - Ethan

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