Test Bed for New Protocol Re: Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to ISOC Re: 202208121501.AYC

Fri Aug 12 21:09:13 UTC 2022

Dear bzs et el.:

1) I was made aware of the referenced "New IP" efforts about two years 
ago. After watching the below online discussion video recording, in 
particular, Andrew Sullivan's comments near the end (starting at time 
marker 00:53:42) that reminded us about thefull architecture versus 
building block approaches, the super importance of incremental 
deployability and the main issue of IPv6 being formally incompatible 
with IPv4, etc., I posted a feedback there.

https://www.internetgovernance.org/2020/09/23/what-is-the-future-of-internet-architecture/

2) Essentially, I offered our EzIP RAN (Regional Area Network) 
configuration as the "New IP" test bed. So that they could have a real 
life demonstration setup going within the existing Internet environment, 
yet independent of the current operations. It could avoid spending a lot 
of efforts on conceptually convincing others by theoretical analysis and 
reasoning. We had some follow-up exchanges. But, they continued on with 
their original way.

Regards,

Abe (2022-08-12 17:08 EDT)

On 2022-08-11 18:33, bzs at theworld.com wrote:
> This has been going around for at least two years, makes for some
> great scary, click-bait headlines ("they propose an internet kill
> switch! For China!", and so forth.)
>
> Besides the obvious question, "by what authority will they move this
> forward?" many of us looked at the proposals and they're, in a word,
> idiocy.
>
>    https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/studygroups/2017-2020/13/Documents/Internet_2030%20.pdf
>
> (it's only 25 pages and you probably can skip to section 6, maybe look
> at section 5, the rest is mostly "what a network is" padding.)
>
> I don't mean I don't like it or just want to criticize it, I mean
> rambling, sophomoric idiocy.
>
> But you have to give some credit to their coming up with:
>
>    "Holographic Avatar Centric Communications"
>
> as a core idea.
>
> I'd say, like we said with ISO/OSI, etc etc etc: Implement a test bed
> and we'll have a look!
>
> On August 11, 2022 at 13:59news at nanog.org  (Nanog News) wrote:
>   > Proposals at ITU-T for Internet Evolution Raise Serious Concerns; According to
>   > ISOC
>   > Huawei, Chinese Carriers, and China want to Redesign a Prominent Part of the
>   > Internet via a set of “New IP” Proposals
>   >
>   > Any new initiative has pros and cons, but according to ISOC (Internet Society),
>   > the “New IP” proposals are threatening and should be discussed further.
>   >
>   > We caught up with Hosein Badran to give us the good, bad, and ugly of the “New
>   > IP” proposals. Badran is a senior director for ISOC and leads the technology,
>   > policy, and advocacy initiatives in Internet access, infrastructure, and trust
>   > domains.
>   >
>   > READ NOW
>   >
>   >
>

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