Frontier Dark Fiber

Wed Aug 10 10:08:30 UTC 2022

Yes; There was absolutely some outright fraud here. Fraud, that even 
when pointed out exactly to the FCC staffers handling this, was simply 
ignored. This fraud claims in the rural parts of mendocino county, where 
I have operated for 20 years, claims there is 'competitive fiber' within 
500' of some of the CO's I would _die_ to have fiber access in, and 
which has never ever been possible. The fscking game playing here is 
unbelievable. ATT, how far you have fallen...and taking down America 
with you.

On 7/22/22 14:23, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order 
> dark fiber:
>
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list
>
>
> It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive 
> fiber and yet, they're on the list.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Paul Timmins" <paul at telcodata.us>
> *To: *nanog at nanog.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Frontier Dark Fiber
>
> Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to 
> order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in 
> 2021 as an orderable product.
>
>
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services
>
>
> There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber 
> (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the TRRO.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>     Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.
>
>
>
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>     Mike Hammett
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>     *From: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
>     *To: *nanog at nanog.org
>     *Sent: *Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
>     *Subject: *Frontier Dark Fiber
>
>     I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber.
>
>     My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior
>     conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very
>     much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at
>     the time).
>
>     Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.
>
>
>     I'm aware that availability varies.
>
>     I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it.
>
>
>
>     -----
>     Mike Hammett
>     Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>
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