Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia

Tue Aug 2 16:15:45 UTC 2022

*nods* Two conversations: 

1) What does tier 1 mean? 
2) Does it matter? 

1) Varies, based on if you are trying to include yourself in that list or not. 
2) No. 

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From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher at beecher.cc> 
To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk at gmail.com> 
Cc: "Nanog" <nanog at nanog.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 10:58:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Allegedly Tier 1s in Wikipedia 

This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. 

I would argue even the 'conventional' definition of 'Tier 1' has been nebulous for long enough that it doesn't really matter much anymore. 

Who a network connects with and how is all that matters, regardless of what label they want to apply to themselves. 

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 2:41 PM Rubens Kuhl < rubensk at gmail.com > wrote: 

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On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 3:19 PM Geoff Huston < gih at apnic.net > wrote: 
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> > On 1 Aug 2022, at 11:10 am, Tom Paseka via NANOG < nanog at nanog.org > wrote: 
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> > Paying for "peering", doesn't stop you being a tier-1. 
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> > Being a Tier-1 means you are "transit free" (technical term, not commercial). No one is transiting your routes to other Tier-1 providers. 
> > 
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> There are a lot of potential interpretations of “Tier 1” and often folk use the one that benefits their own classification (obviously!). The one I think corresponds to the conventional interpretation is "I’m a Tier 1 because I have a SKA peering agreement with other Tier 1 networks and I pay no other network for transit or peering”, or more informally, “I’m a Tier 1 because I pay nobody and everyone pays me, except for my peers.” 

This conventional interpretation is the one I'm applying in this question. 

> I suspect that what goes on is “I’m a Tier 1 because I say so, and noone has contradicted me yet!" :-) 

Which is unfortunately what some operators serving my region try 
applying. And after being contradicted, they move to "regional Tier-1" 
speech, which is something nobody ever defined. 

Rubens 

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