Geolocation data management practices?

Thu Apr 21 22:06:11 UTC 2022

For corrections/updates, what I have found to be generally successful is

1. make sure to advertise the IP blocks into the DFZ from your ASN as soon as possible

2. make sure ARIN data is accurate (we use ARIN, you may use one of the other registries)

3. update my geofeed, as referenced already in this thread

4. directly contact organizations that have geolocation services but don't subscribe to my geofeed

If anyone has any additional geolocation organizations I didn't list, I would be happy to hear about them.

Geofeed subscriptions are in place with these organizations

IP Info
https://ipinfo.io/
https://ipinfo.io/faq/article/49-how-can-i-submit-a-correction
https://ipinfo.io/corrections

dbip
https://db-ip.com/
https://db-ip.com/contact/
support <at> db-ip.com

IPGeolocation
https://ipgeolocation.io/
support <at> ipgeolocation.io

Maxmind
https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo
https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/

Neustar
https://www.home.neustar/resources/tools/ip-geolocation-lookup-tool
https://www.home.neustar/resources/tools/submit-to-global-ip-database
ipintel <at> support.neustar

BigDataCloud
https://www.bigdatacloud.com/ip-geolocation/

Digital Element
https://www.digitalelement.com/geolocation/
https://www.digitalelement.com/contact-us/
ip-data <at> digitalelement.com

ip2location
https://www.ip2location.com/demo
support <at> ip2location.com
Only accepts feeds when all entries have a city defined

Google
https://isp.google.com
Set geofeed URL within their ISP portal

No geofeed subscriptions in place for these organizations and require individual contact for corrections/updates

ipstack
https://ipstack.com/
https://ipstack.com/contact

Geo IP View
https://www.geoipview.com/
andrew <at> geoipview.com
email address is not currently receiving mail, as such I assume not many are using this service

IPligence
http://www.ipligence.com/geolocation
https://www.ipligence.com/contact

ipdata
https://ipdata.co/?ref=iplocation
https://ipdata.co/corrections.html
corrections <at> ipdata.co
working on adding geofeed support

IPIP
https://en.ipip.net/ip.html
sarah <at> ipip.net

IPHub
https://iphub.info/

IPinsight
https://ipinsight.io/
william <at> ipinsight.io

Info Sniper
https://infosniper.net/
https://infosniper.net/geoip-data-correction.php

GeoGuard
https://www.geocomply.com/products/geoguard/
ipintelligence <at> geoguard.com
More of a "are they using a VPN/hiding service" and not so much of a "Where are they" service.

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jkrejci=usinternet.com at nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:24 AM
To: Rubens Kuhl
Cc: Nanog
Subject: Re: Geolocation data management practices?

Go through this list:
https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&[email protected]&sid=1650551121269-090-00144432&s=35m2jbep&n=bqbgig2zy&ms=0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0&u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebrotherswisp.com%2Findex.php%2Fgeo-and-vpn%2F>

The RFC only works if they're pulling your feed and they'd only know that if you contact them in the first place.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:14 AM Rubens Kuhl < rubensk at gmail.com<mailto:rubensk at gmail.com>> wrote:
Besides geofeed, there are also geoidx records in IRRs but whether
geolocation services actually use geofeed or geoidx remains to be
seen. You can see some geoidx: at this IRR entry in TC:
https://bgp.net.br/whois/?q=-s%20TC%20-i%20mnt-by%20MAINT-AS271761<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&[email protected]&sid=1650551121269-090-00144432&s=mkamn44w&n=bqbgig2zz&ms=0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbgp.net.br%2Fwhois%2F%3Fq%3D-s%2520TC%2520-i%2520mnt-by%2520MAINT-AS271761>

Regarding LACNIC, what LACNIC, NIC.mx and NIC.br do is to select which
RIR or NIR services requests depending on the organisation's country.

Rubens

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:53 AM Shawn < mailman.nanog.org at kleinart.net<mailto:mailman.nanog.org at kleinart.net>> wrote:
>
> Aloha NANOG,
>
> What is the best practice (or peoples preferred methods) to
> update/correct/maintain geolocation data?
> Do most people start with description field info in route/route6 objects?
>
>
> Also, thoughts and considerations on using IPv4 space from one RIR in
> countries belonging to another RIR?
>
> With IPv4 exhaustion and inter-RIR IPv4 transfers, and geolocation data, it
> seems less applicable than it had been (a decade ago).  The IP's will be
> used for CDN, not by end-users/subscribers.
> Context: trying to work through an administrative "challenge" with LACNIC
> regarding an IPv4 transfer, considering transferring to ARIN and then using
> in LACNIC (then once resolved, transfer from ARIN to LACNIC).  Or just using
> existing ARIN space in Brazil.
> LACNIC is making things more difficult than they need to be.  I know this is
> NANOG... but seeking advice, working on a global network, US HQ, currently
> no active "registration" in LACNIC (except Brazil), but we operate in 5
> countries in the region (data center/colo).  We would use Brazil, but very
> hesitant to use their NIC ( nic.br<http://nic.br>); LACNIC is saying we cannot maintain our
> relationship with them using our Brazil organization (our only formal
> subsidiary in the region).  LACNIC does not really define the "entity"
> operating in their region well. We use our US entity with RIPE and APNIC,
> simply showing documentation (contracts) that we operate in their region.
> Maybe I am not using the magic word?
>
>
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