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Wed Oct 20 21:16:37 UTC 2021

*Mel Beckman*mel at beckman.org 
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wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and simplex Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' email addresses, and routing had to be specified in advance within each NCP message.
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This is just so completely wrong as to be ludicrous.

First of all, the IMP was the box.  Computers connected using the 
protocols specified in BBN Report 1822 
(https://walden-family.com/impcode/BBN1822_Jan1976.pdf)

NCP was alternately referred to as the Network Control PROGRAM and the 
Network Control Protocol.  It essentially played the role of TCP, 
managing pairs of simplex connections.

Routing was completely dynamic - that was the whole point of the IMP 
software. And routing did NOT require email addresses - those operated 
much further up the protocol stack.

Perhaps you're confusing this with UUCP mail addressing ("bang" paths).  
Or possibly BITNET or FidoNet - which I believe also were source routed 
(but memory fails on that.

re.
> Even so, the Internet as a platform open to anyone didn’t start until 1992. I know you joined late, in 1999, so you probably missed out on this history. :)
You know, there are people on this list who were back there in 1969, and 
actually wrote some of that code - so you might want to stop spouting 
nonsense.  (Not me, I was a user, starting in 1971, didn't get to BBN 
until 1985 - when we were still dealing with stragglers who didn't quite 
manage to cutover to TCP/IP on the Flag Day.)

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