S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

Tom Beecher beecher at beecher.cc
Wed Oct 13 13:52:50 UTC 2021

I agree with you generally.

It's not impossible, but probably unlikely for an individual to be sued for
contents of cookie data or similar small fragments like that.

I do believe it's orders of more magnitude more likely for the 'average'
residential consumer to attract a suit from the MPAA/RIAA/etc because there
is a torrent stream emanating from their connection, and I have little
faith that any provider would go out of their way to jump in front and say
'no no, that's our tech'.

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:15 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach at netflight.com>

> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 2:01 PM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>> I think it would be absolutely *stunning* for content providers
>>> to turn the model on its head; use a bittorrent like model for
>>> caching and serving content out of subscribers homes at
>>> recalcitrant ISPs, so that data doesn't come from outside,
>>> it comes out of the mesh within the eyeball network, with
>>> no clear place for the ISP to stick a $$$ bill to.
>> I'm familiar with some work and ideas that have gone into such a thing,
>> and I'm personally very much against it for non-technical reasons.
>> Given how far the law lags behind technology, the last thing anyone
>> should be ok with is a 3rd party storing bits on ANYTHING in their house,
>> or transmitting those bits from a network connection that is registered to
>> them.
> *chortle*
> So, I take it you steadfastly block *all* cookies from being stored
> or transmitted from your browser at home?
> Oh, wait.  You meant it's OK to let some third parties
> store and transmit bits from your devices, but only
> the ones you like and support, and as long as they're
> small bits, and you're sure there's nothing harmful or
> illegal in them.
> So, that means you check each cookie to make sure
> there's nothing in them that could be illegal?
> You sure someone hasn't tucked something like
> the DeCSS algorithm, or the RSA algorithm into
> a cookie in your browser, like this?
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Munitions_T-shirt_(front).jpg
> https://www.cafepress.com/+,954530397?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=7979505756-d-c&utm_content=83814261273-adid-395151690662&utm_term=pla-1396845372217-pid-954530397&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SeM10JbFgeus96hEedn0d0m2Kkz6Z91-frlEIUh-3ZD2w89j8EUmCsaAvnAEALw_wcB
> The fact of the matter is, every one of us allows
> third parties to store data on all our devices, all
> the time, and send it back out on the network,
> completely unsupervised by us, even though
> it could contain data which is illegal to cross
> certain arbitrary political boundaries.
> I understand where you're coming from, I really
> do.
> But I don't think people stop and think about just
> how completely that ship has sailed, from a legal
> standpoint.  You could have been asked by a random
> website to store code which is illegal to export in a
> cookie which is then offered back up to any other
> website in whatever jurisdiction around the globe
> that asks for it, and you'll be completely unaware
> of it, because we've all gotten past the point of "ask
> me about every cookie" being a workable setting on
> any of our devices.
> Go ahead.  Turn off all cookie support on all your devices
> for 24 hours.  Don't let any of that third party data in or out
> of your home during that time.
> Let me know how well that turns out.
> Bonus points if you enforce it on your family/spouse/SO/partner
> at the same time, and they're still talking to you at the end of the
> 24 hours.  ;-P
> Matt
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