Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

Denys Fedoryshchenko nuclearcat at
Mon May 31 19:08:44 UTC 2021

It can't be zero.
In 1000BaseT specs, BER, 1 in 1*10^10 bits error is considered 
acceptable on each link.
So it should be defined same way, as acceptable BER.
And until which point? How to measure?
Same for bandwidth, port rate can be 1Gbit, ISP speedtest too, but most 
websites 100Kbit.

On 2021-05-31 21:28, Fred Baker wrote:
> I would add packet loss rate. Should be zero, and if it isn’t, it
> points to an underlying problem.
> Sent from my iPad
>> On May 31, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman
>> <josh at> wrote:
>> I think the latency and bps is going to be the best way to measure
>> broadband everyone can agree on.  Is there a better way, sure, but
>> how can you quantify it?
>> Josh Luthman
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>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at>
>> wrote:
>>> I think that just underscores that the bps of a connection isn't
>>> the end-all, be-all of connection quality. Yes, I'm sure most of
>>> us here knew that. However, many of us here still get distracted
>>> by the bps.
>>> If we can't get it right, how can we expect policy wonks to get it
>>> right?
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> -------------------------
>>> From: "Sean Donelan" <sean at>
>>> To: "NANOG" <nanog at>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:25:12 PM
>>> Subject: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for
>>> US broadband connections)
>>> I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps
>>> measurements
>>> for IP congestion collapse.  During the peering battles, some ISPs
>>> used to
>>> claim average bps measurements showed no problems.  But in reality
>>> there
>>> were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse
>>> which
>>> didn't show up in simple average bps graphs.
>>> Have any academic researchers done work on what are the real-world
>>> minimum
>>> connection requirements for home-schooling, video teams
>>> applications, job
>>> interview video calls, and network background application noise?
>>> During the last year, I've been providing volunteer pandemic home
>>> schooling support for a few primary school teachers in a couple of
>>> different states.  Its been tough for pupils on lifeline service
>>> (fixed
>>> or mobile), and some pupils were never reached. I found lifeline
>>> students
>>> on mobile (i.e. 3G speeds) had trouble using even audio-only group
>>> calls,
>>> and the exam proctoring apps often didn't work at all forcing
>>> those
>>> students to fail exams unnecessarily.
>>> In my experience, anecdotal data need some academic researchers,
>>> pupils
>>> with at least 5 mbps (real-world measurement) upstream connections
>>> at
>>> home didn't seem to have those problems, even though the average
>>> bps graph
>>> was less than 1 mbps.

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