Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)
Fred Baker
fredbaker.ietf at gmail.com
Mon May 31 18:28:48 UTC 2021
I would add packet loss rate. Should be zero, and if it isn’t, it points to an underlying problem.
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> On May 31, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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> I think the latency and bps is going to be the best way to measure broadband everyone can agree on. Is there a better way, sure, but how can you quantify it?
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>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>> I think that just underscores that the bps of a connection isn't the end-all, be-all of connection quality. Yes, I'm sure most of us here knew that. However, many of us here still get distracted by the bps.
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>> If we can't get it right, how can we expect policy wonks to get it right?
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>> Mike Hammett
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>> From: "Sean Donelan" <sean at donelan.com>
>> To: "NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:25:12 PM
>> Subject: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)
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>> I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps measurements
>> for IP congestion collapse. During the peering battles, some ISPs used to
>> claim average bps measurements showed no problems. But in reality there
>> were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse which
>> didn't show up in simple average bps graphs.
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>> Have any academic researchers done work on what are the real-world minimum
>> connection requirements for home-schooling, video teams applications, job
>> interview video calls, and network background application noise?
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>> During the last year, I've been providing volunteer pandemic home
>> schooling support for a few primary school teachers in a couple of
>> different states. Its been tough for pupils on lifeline service (fixed
>> or mobile), and some pupils were never reached. I found lifeline students
>> on mobile (i.e. 3G speeds) had trouble using even audio-only group calls,
>> and the exam proctoring apps often didn't work at all forcing those
>> students to fail exams unnecessarily.
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>> In my experience, anecdotal data need some academic researchers, pupils
>> with at least 5 mbps (real-world measurement) upstream connections at
>> home didn't seem to have those problems, even though the average bps graph
>> was less than 1 mbps.
>>
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