Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

Fred Baker fredbaker.ietf at gmail.com
Mon May 31 18:28:48 UTC 2021


I would add packet loss rate. Should be zero, and if it isn’t, it points to an underlying problem.

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> On May 31, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
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> I think the latency and bps is going to be the best way to measure broadband everyone can agree on.  Is there a better way, sure, but how can you quantify it?
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>> On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>> I think that just underscores that the bps of a connection isn't the end-all, be-all of connection quality. Yes, I'm sure most of us here knew that. However, many of us here still get distracted by the bps.
>> 
>> If we can't get it right, how can we expect policy wonks to get it right?
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>> Mike Hammett
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>> From: "Sean Donelan" <sean at donelan.com>
>> To: "NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:25:12 PM
>> Subject: Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)
>> 
>> 
>> I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps measurements 
>> for IP congestion collapse.  During the peering battles, some ISPs used to 
>> claim average bps measurements showed no problems.  But in reality there 
>> were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse which 
>> didn't show up in simple average bps graphs.
>> 
>> 
>> Have any academic researchers done work on what are the real-world minimum 
>> connection requirements for home-schooling, video teams applications, job 
>> interview video calls, and network background application noise?
>> 
>> 
>> During the last year, I've been providing volunteer pandemic home 
>> schooling support for a few primary school teachers in a couple of 
>> different states.  Its been tough for pupils on lifeline service (fixed 
>> or mobile), and some pupils were never reached. I found lifeline students 
>> on mobile (i.e. 3G speeds) had trouble using even audio-only group calls, 
>> and the exam proctoring apps often didn't work at all forcing those 
>> students to fail exams unnecessarily.
>> 
>> In my experience, anecdotal data need some academic researchers, pupils 
>> with at least 5 mbps (real-world measurement) upstream connections at 
>> home didn't seem to have those problems, even though the average bps graph 
>> was less than 1 mbps.
>> 
>> 
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