Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections)

Josh Luthman josh at
Mon May 31 18:00:08 UTC 2021

I think the latency and bps is going to be the best way to measure
broadband everyone can agree on.  Is there a better way, sure, but how can
you quantify it?

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On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 7:16 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at> wrote:

> I think that just underscores that the bps of a connection isn't the
> end-all, be-all of connection quality. Yes, I'm sure most of us here knew
> that. However, many of us here still get distracted by the bps.
> If we can't get it right, how can we expect policy wonks to get it right?
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> Midwest-IX
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Sean Donelan" <sean at>
> *To: *"NANOG" <nanog at>
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:25:12 PM
> *Subject: *Call for academic researchers (Re: New minimum speed for US
> broadband connections)
> I thought in the 1990s, we had moved beyond using average bps measurements
> for IP congestion collapse.  During the peering battles, some ISPs used to
> claim average bps measurements showed no problems.  But in reality there
> were massive packet drops, re-transmits and congestive collapse which
> didn't show up in simple average bps graphs.
> Have any academic researchers done work on what are the real-world minimum
> connection requirements for home-schooling, video teams applications, job
> interview video calls, and network background application noise?
> During the last year, I've been providing volunteer pandemic home
> schooling support for a few primary school teachers in a couple of
> different states.  Its been tough for pupils on lifeline service (fixed
> or mobile), and some pupils were never reached. I found lifeline students
> on mobile (i.e. 3G speeds) had trouble using even audio-only group calls,
> and the exam proctoring apps often didn't work at all forcing those
> students to fail exams unnecessarily.
> In my experience, anecdotal data need some academic researchers, pupils
> with at least 5 mbps (real-world measurement) upstream connections at
> home didn't seem to have those problems, even though the average bps graph
> was less than 1 mbps.
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