New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Mike Hammett nanog at
Sun May 30 13:29:28 UTC 2021

What can you do with 100 megs that you can't do with 25 megs and why should anyone care? 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


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From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl at> 
To: "NANOG" <nanog at> 
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 4:25:35 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

In 2021 I would claim that 100 Mbps is where "good" internet starts. Yes, 25 Mbps will work but it is not good internet. Not to mention 2 Mbps ADSL which is almost the same as no internet. 

Now there are needs for an individual and there are needs for a community. The rural communities have a genuine need for good internet. Anything less will continue to accelerate the move of people to the cities. In the end, each individual decides for himself what his needs are and sufficient people want good internet, so that they will have that as part of their considerations when deciding to move. 

With poor internet the community will accumulate people that dont care about the internet, which often means elderly people. More elderly people means younger people do not feel at home, so they will move away or not move there, which further accelerates the effect. 



On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 11:19 PM Andy Ringsmuth < andy at > wrote: 

Well, honestly, if you really want to go down the “need vs. want” road, 100 percent of the folks on this list would be out of a job. 

What are genuine needs? Food/water, clothing and shelter. That’s it. Even the last two are somewhat negotiable if you get right down to it. 

Andy Ringsmuth 
5609 Harding Drive 
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 
(402) 304-0083 
andy at 

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863 

> On May 29, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog at > wrote: 
> Need vs. want. 
> ----- 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> Midwest-IX 
> From: "Baldur Norddahl" < baldur.norddahl at > 
> To: "NANOG" < nanog at > 
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 3:49:01 AM 
> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 
> I am in Europe / Denmark. The EU has defined broadband to be 100 Mbps download with nothing specified for upload. The goal is for everyone to have access to broadband by 2025. 
> Such definitions do help those in rural areas. In fact this is precisely useful for those that do not currently have access. It helps to make goals and to measure how we are progressing. 
> All current technologies can deliver broadband, including DSL, coax, 5G and fixed wireless. But maybe not without investment. That DSL plant might need upgrading to the latest VDSL and cabinets closer to the customer. The coax might need upgrades etc. But that is the point. Providers will need to invest to be able to claim broadband. 
> On the other hand a soft easy broadband definition is useless in my opinion. Then everyone has broadband, hurray, but many have slow internet and nothing is going to be done because it is broadband! 
> Regards 
> Baldur 

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