New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Sat May 29 21:43:50 UTC 2021

I’m right there with you.  I can download an entire Mac OS update in 6 minutes.  It’s astonishing.  I’d pay a grand a month for this.  I’d pay five.

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> On May 29, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Dan.
> 
> In Switzerland you can get 10Gb symmetric to the home for 49.95 per month (or 39.95 if you have a mobile with the same ISP) .
> 
> As with Dan, average utilisation is measured in Mb. 
> 
> But then the ability to go from that to download 10GB of the latest patches from Microsoft or Apple, or the ability to upload large files for off-site backups or for friends/customers .... I don't know what I'd do without it !   
> 
> And of course, the days of the buffering wheel of death when streaming 4K TV is long gone ...  I can have multiple people in multiple rooms in my house streaming 4K and nobody notices.
> 
> I would never, ever, go back to DSL.  Even if they hiked the price 5x, I'd still pay it.
> 
> Coming back to the original question on this thread, my answer would be the minimum for 2021 should be 1/1.  Anything less than that is a bit silly and will soon be obsolete.
> 
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Saturday, 29 May 2021 04:50, Dan Stralka <mrsyeltzin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> But it is reality, it's just not your reality, Mike.   Brandon's ISP can provide that service.
>> 
>> So should there be a more granular definition of speeds mandated based on population density, last mile tech, etc?
>> 
>> I was in the camp that you didn't need higher bandwidth than you'd normally find - I was happy on my 50/10 plan. Then my ISP upgraded me to a 300/50 or thereabouts and it was a night and day difference in getting things done. 
>> 
>> Just like your example of average utilization being in the single megabits per second, my average utilization is near zero. But when I need to move files I can burst to speeds that aren't embarrassing in 2021.
>> 
>> Higher bandwidth is both welcome and necessary. It doesn't have to be sustained throughout the contract to be required. The only question is how feasible it is, and I suspect it's quite feasible for larger players. 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> (end)
>> 
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021, 22:33 Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> That's not based in any kind of reality.
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
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>>> From: "Brandon Price" <PriceB at SherwoodOregon.gov>
>>> To: "Sean Donelan" <sean at donelan.com>, "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog at nanog.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 5:21:53 PM
>>> Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
>>> 
>>> 100/100 minimum for sure.
>>> 
>>> In our small neck of the woods, we are currently doing 250/250 for $45 and 1000/1000 for $60 no data caps.
>>> 
>>> We have lost some grants on rural builds because "someone" in the census block claims they provide broadband.. Not hard to put an AP up on a tower and hit the current definition's upload speed.
>>> 
>>> I get a chuckle when the providers tell the customer what they "need"...  
>>> 
>>> Brandon Price
>>> Senior Network Engineer
>>> City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+priceb=sherwoodoregon.gov at nanog.org> On Behalf Of Sean Donelan
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:33 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
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>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote:
>>>> At least 100/100.
>>>> 
>>>> We don’t like selling slower than 10g anymore, that’s what I’d start everyone at if I could.
>>> 
>>> At $50/month or less?
>>> 
>>> Maximize number of households of all demographic groups.

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