Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?

Sat Mar 20 18:46:57 UTC 2021

The board has been thinking about enhancements to the NANOG list for a
couple of years now, with the goal of creating a modern interface that the
younger generation of engineers will be more comfortable using.

Those of you that have attended recent NANOG members meetings may recall
that we are currently beta testing a new community interface called
discourse as part of our NANOG modernization strategic initiative.  If it
proves out as the new interface, it will support multiple web-based forums,
and each forum will feature a fully integrated two-way email interface.
Once in full production, the existing general mailing list will be moved to
the platform, and additional topics/mailing-lists will be created.

If you prefer to join a specific forum but continue to use email as you
always have, that will be an option and there will be many new
topic-specific mailing lists.  Those that wish to use a more modern looking
web-based interface for discussion can use that, or anyone can use a hybrid
of the two methods in the same forum (email or web-based).

The beta is currently only open to board members, but we expect it to be
opened for further beta testing and feedback later this year within the
existing community.

Dave Siegel
NANOG board Vice-Chair

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:57 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:

> That seems like a reasonable proposal. NANOG-OffTopic, NANOG-Discuss,
> NANOG-BizDev, NANOG-xyz, something (more more than one something).
>
> The other lists still wouldn't allow promotion, but you could make
> inquiries and discuss things that don't involve enable or configure.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
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> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com>
> *To: *"Matthew Petach" <mpetach at netflight.com>
> *Cc: *"NANOG" <nanog at nanog.org>, admins at nanog.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 18, 2021 6:43:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG
> list...?
>
> Perhaps the sales, marketing and 'business development' people who've
> never typed "enable" or "configure" into a router a single day in their
> lives might be better served with a dedicated list that is mission focused
> on bizdev, and not operational issues.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:29 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach at netflight.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37 AM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>>
>>> CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rod-
>>>>
>>>> Please refer to the usage guidelines found here.
>>>> https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
>>>>
>>>> 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the
>>>>> following subjects are inappropriate: prices, discounts, or terms or
>>>>> conditions of sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost
>>>>> data; market shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers
>>>>> or territories; or selection, rejection, or termination of customers or
>>>>> suppliers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are
>>>> within the guidelines, there have been occasions where a reasonable person
>>>> could think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case :
>>>>
>>>> - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others.
>>>> - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the
>>>> same as many of us might send to someone they were looking for capacity
>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage
>>>> guidelines and the spirit of what this mailing list is about.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the
>>>> NANOG organization. You have no authority to tell others to 'cease and
>>>> desist', and insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea
>>>> to refrain from future messages that are clearly commercial in nature, or
>>>> that contain unnecessary insults.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> If only we had some way to segregate out different topics
>> of interest or disinterest, so that people who weren't interested
>> in questions about bandwidth availability could unsubscribe
>> from those topics, and only subscribe to the topics that *did*
>> interest them...
>>
>> #AFewDaysTooEarly
>>
>> ^_^;;
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>
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