New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Tue Jun 1 01:14:39 UTC 2021

How many simultaneous telehealth calls can you be in at a time? In my close family (15 - 20 people), do you know how rare it is to have a medical appointment in the same week as someone else, much less the same exact time, much less the same exact time *and* in the same household? 

That's the difference between people speaking emotionally and people speaking rationally. Well sure, *everyone* has to care about healthcare, so let's throw healthcare on the list of OMG things. No one is helped by people trying to debate something's merit based on emotions. 

Yes, WFH (or e-learning) is much more likely to have simultaneous uses. 

Yes, I agree that 3 megs is getting thin for three video streams. Not impossible, but definitely a lot more hairy. So then what about moving the upload definition to 5 megs? 10 megs? 20 megs? Why does it need to be 100 megs? 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

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From: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net> 
Cc: "Abhi Devireddy" <abhi at devireddy.com>, nanog at nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 5:17:36 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

On May 28, 2021, at 06:56 , Mike Hammett < nanog at ics-il.net > wrote: 

"Bad connection" measures way more than throughput. 

What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3? 

Pretty much everything if you have, say, 3+ people in your house trying to do it at once… 

A decent Zoom call requires ~750Kbps of upstream bandwidth. When you get two 
kids doing remote school and mom and dad each doing $DAYJOB via teleconferences, 
that 3Mbps gets spread pretty thin, especially if you’ve got any other significant use 
of your upstream connection (e.g. kids posting to Tik Tok, etc.) 

Sure, for a single individual, 25/3 might be fine. For a household that has the industry 
standard 2.53 people, it might even still work, but barely. Much above that average 
and things degrade rapidly and not very gracefully. 

Owen 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Abhi Devireddy" < abhi at devireddy.com > 
To: nanog at nanog.org , "Jason Canady" < jason at unlimitednet.us > 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:07:34 AM 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to talk with you. 

There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone who's got a bad connection. 

Abhi 

Abhi Devireddy 

From: NANOG < nanog-bounces+abhi=devireddy.com at nanog.org > on behalf of Jason Canady < jason at unlimitednet.us > 
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:39:14 AM 
To: nanog at nanog.org < nanog at nanog.org > 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

I second Mike. 

On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

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I don't think it needs to change. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

From: "Sean Donelan" <sean at donelan.com> 
To: nanog at nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM 
Subject: New minimum speed for US broadband connections 

What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? 

This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year 

year speed 

1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than 
dialup/ISDN speeds) 

2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service 
providers had 128 kbps upload) 

2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up 

2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired) 
5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless) 

2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps) 

Not only in major cities, but also rural areas 

Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't 
advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must 
deliver better service. 
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