Hosting recommendations ... ?

Tue Jan 19 18:45:42 UTC 2021

I would look at https://www.webhostingtalk.com forums and specifically the
"Dedicated Hosting Offers" forums
https://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=36 for providers and
deals.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:34 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
lists at packetflux.com> wrote:

> Maybe this will help:
>
> I use vultr.   I have also brought my own address space and am announcing
> it to them from one of their instances (vm's) with BGP.   They are set up
> such that you can use a private AS if you don't have your own and are ok
> with them announcing this from their AS (after they strip off the private
> as).
>
> If you told me right this second that you needed a Ubuntu Server spun up,
> I could be logged into the interface, select a location/size and have it
> running within 60 seconds - with the complete Ubuntu install done.  Most of
> my instances are running under their $5 plan which is 25GB of disk space, 1
> CPU, 1G of memory, and 1TB of transfer.  Oh, and one or two are on the $6
> plan which has slightly more disk and is on a faster CPU.      They
> obviously have various options that go up from there all the way to
> dedicated servers. In a couple of locations, they also have a smaller
> IPv6-only server for $2.50.
>
> I haven't found anything I need anything larger than their $5 or $6 plan
> for, but I also am not running any heavy workloads.   Basically a static
> webpage, a ticketing system, a couple of DNS servers, and the like.   I'm
> currently testing voip(Asterisk) on the platform as well, and based on
> testing so far will likely be moving it into full production in the next
> few weeks.
>
> I used ubuntu as an example, they also have all of the mainstream linux
> distros and the BSD's and I think in some locations windows available.
> They also have a pretty good selection of preconfigured applications (aka
> common CMS'es, eCommerce platforms, etc).   All of these are in the ~60
> seconds to spin up category.     You can also upload your own ISO or use a
> pre-uploaded one from their library of less commonly used
> applications/operating systems.
>
> I've been running on the platform for about a year after having enough of
> a shared hosting provider for some of the stuff and running on my own metal
> in a datacenter for other stuff.   So far I'm very happy with them.
>
> If you want to try them out, I noticed as I logged in to look up what the
> $5 service includes that they're running a a "refer a friend and they get
> $100 to test the service" promo.  I normally don't pass on referral codes
> but I figured if you're evaluating this you might want the $100 credit (for
> up to 30 days of service).   If so, the link for that offer is
> https://www.vultr.com/?ref=8776996-6G .
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:39 AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net> wrote:
>
>> You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what
>> Bill was pointing out ...)
>>
>> Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea.
>>
>> I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin
>> up additional VMs at my leisure. In which case #2 could be suitable in
>> the right environment.
>>
>> ... in which case SLAs would be tantamount to success ...
>>
>> So ... that said, any recommendations?  :)
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/21 6:32 PM, Martijn Schmidt wrote:
>> > For #1, are you trying to do "Cloud-ception" e.g. running your own
>> > proxmox virtualization on top of an already virtual machine, so that
>> > you're basically two layers deep?
>> >
>> > For #2, of course you need to be able to survive a hardware failure
>> > (using RAID1 or some flavour of DRBD for example) but having to think
>> > about such things is the "trade-off" of having access to the bare-metal
>> > layer.. it does have advantages, for example if you want to install
>> your
>> > own virtualization layer without any involvement from the hosting
>> > provider. You'd usually have agreements with the hosting provider about
>> > how/when hardware replacements would be done.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Martijn
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d.net at nanog.org> on
>> behalf
>> > of Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net>
>> > *Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18
>> > *To:* William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>
>> > *Cc:* NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
>> > *Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
>> > Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
>> > prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian)
>> > vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server?
>> >
>> > If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm
>> > looking for, if they exist.
>> >
>> > #2 would be suitable, but it seems to be that if leased bare-metal dies,
>> > it will be some time for ETR. Less desirable, but I'm open to ideas.
>> >
>> > #3 I do now. Trying to move away from that.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/19/21 5:44 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway <bryan at shout.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what
>> I'm
>> >>> doing now.
>> >>
>> >> Hi Bryan,
>> >>
>> >> Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
>> >> adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
>> >> storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
>> >> operating systems or hypervisors.
>> >>
>> >> Bare metal = you lease physical equipment. You manage all software on
>> >> the equipment including any hypervisors needed to run virtual servers.
>> >> You DO NOT deal with hardware break/fix, that problem belongs to the
>> >> service provider.
>> >>
>> >> Colocation = You lease space in a data center. You provide physical
>> >> equipment in your custom configuration.
>> >>
>> >> With this terminology, at least one of your requirements is unmeetable
>> >> for contradicting the others. So I ask again for clarification: which
>> >> of these do you seek?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Bill Herrin
>> >>
>>
>
>
> --
> - Forrest
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