Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

Tue Jan 19 14:58:01 UTC 2021

Everyone take a deep breath, calm down, and move on from this thread.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:22 AM Jeff P <jeffp at jeffp.us> wrote:

> I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a
> board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist
> comment in a previous post with content that did not further any discussion
> relevant to networking... If the admins are interested in the full content
> of several messages that Javier J and I exchanged , I will provide the full
> email chains to provide context to the single email posted here to any who
> contacts me off list. But since you wish to make it a public discussion, I
> would like to call attention to your failure to follow the usage guidelines
> and code of conduct outlined in the NANOG terms of use as agreed to in
> subscribing to this list:
>
> https://www.nanog.org/about/code-conduct/
> https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
>
> I suggest any one who wants to threaten other users, leave misogynistic
> content, or leave irrelevant messages that are simply designed to degrade
> others should think twice before they post it on NANOG. And then just not
> do it. This is not the forum for that type of conversation. Please take it
> to Twitter or Gab or Parler or Facebook or your platform of choice, but
> NANOG as founded and conducted is for a technical discussion board for
> networking and is not the platform for that kind of content. It is a waste
> of time for those of us who are not interested in your opinion of any other
> subject not directly related to networking to have to read through a
> garbage post only to get slapped in the face with your lack of etiquette or
> sense of decorum. We all agreed to the rules, and we should all act
> accordingly.
>
> JeffP
> jeffp at jeffp.us
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:34 PM Javier J <javier at advancedmachines.us>
> wrote:
>
>> Why are you emailing me?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P <jeffp at jeffp.us> wrote:
>>
>>> SEE!?!
>>>
>>> With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email
>>> to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!"
>>>
>>> Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword).
>>>
>>> And you did it without thought, just piled on. It came as natural to you
>>> as putting on your shoes in the morning.
>>>
>>> JeffP
>>> jeffp at jeffp.us
>>>
>>>
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Lorell Hathcock <lorell at hathcock.org>
>>> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is
>>> the policy about sharing email offlist?
>>> To: Javier J <javier at advancedmachines.us>
>>> Cc: nanog <nanog at nanog.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> A-woman!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lorell Hathcock
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier at advancedmachines.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I agree 100%.
>>>
>>> I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine.  What I
>>> don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address
>>> list because of someone's behavior.
>>>
>>> - Javier
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis at lewis.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be
>>>> private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders."
>>>> The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it,
>>>> should result in their removal from the list, at least until they
>>>> explain
>>>> what caused them to do that and have undone it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
>>>> >>  Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what
>>>> is the
>>>> >>  policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing
>>>> >>  offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that
>>>> someone.
>>>> >>  Anne
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  --
>>>> >>  Anne P. Mitchell,  Attorney at Law
>>>> >>  Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School
>>>> >>  Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal
>>>> anti-spam law)
>>>> >>  Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
>>>> >>  Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
>>>> >>  Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>   Jon Lewis, MCP :)           |  I route
>>>>   StackPath, Sr. Neteng       |  therefore you are
>>>> _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
>>>>
>>>
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