Parler

Sun Jan 10 20:08:30 UTC 2021

To be fair, AWS has existing contract/service clauses that are very very aggressive for termination. For example, if AWS contacts you regarding the hosting of CPEV, you have 24 hours to remove it and respond, if you dont - they immediately terminate the account. So the 24 hour warning for Parlor is not new behavior for Amazon.

Also, if you specifically read Amazon Customer Agreement (https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/ <https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/>), Section 6.1.a. and 7.2.b.ii. lay out basically what they did to Parlor.

Section 6.1.a.iii. says"

"We may suspend your or any End User’s right to access or use any portion or all of the Service Offerings immediately upon notice to you if we determine: your or an End User’s use of the Service Offerings could subject us, our affiliates, or any third party to liability"

Clearly if Parlor is used to covertly coordiinate a planned attack on our government that leads to loss of lives, AWS doesn’t want to be held liable for hosting that infrastructure. The above clause requires no extended notices, it can be immediate - so 24 hours was a favor….
-John

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> wrote:
> 
> On 1/10/21 9:48 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>> Is it content moderation, or just giving the boot to enabling criminal 
>> activity? Would that more providers be given the boot for enabling voice 
>> spam scams, for example. Didn't one of the $n-chan's get the boot a 
>> while back? I don't seem to recall a lot of push back about that and it 
>> was pretty much the same situation, iirc.
> 
> There's legit users of parler and 8-chan.  Not every one is on the
> racist/insurrectionist/etc. sections.  And who's to say they have less of a
> right to their unpopular speech than I have to discuss retro video games?
> 
> This seems like it raises two interesting questions:
> 
> 1. When should a contracted provider be able to discontinue service with
> little to no notice to the customer if they find their content distasteful?
> 
> 2. Where do we expect legit insurrections to communicate?  Should
> AWS/Facebook/Twitter boot those calling for violent uprisings in Hong Kong
> (for example).
> 
> I suppose #2 is simply one mans freedom fighter is another criminal.
> 
> Anyone hosting with Amazon/Google/the cloud here should be really concerned
> with the timing they gave them, 24 hours notice to migrate.  Industry
> standards would seem to be at least 30 days notice.  Note this is not the
> police/courts coming to the host with notice that they are hosting illegal
> content but only the opinion of the provider that they don't want to host it.
> 
> I seem to recall a customer who was using provider IP space that sued and won
> an injunction circa 2004 against their provider allowing time to migrate. I
> remember reading the decision and was taken back by the decent grasp the judge
> had on BGP/IP space.  I can see how this might be similar.
> 
> Many years ago I was CoLo'd at a facility which shut off the racks of a
> customer at 9am on a Monday after finding said customer had poached an
> employee from the provider and was intending to compete with services the CoLo
> offered.  They physically disconnected the cross connects to these racks for
> this and banned the customer's employees from the facility.  Their counsel
> even told the customer "any contract is voidable at any time".  Basic planning
> for any company should ensure you never have all your eggs in one basket.
> Perhaps this was a bit dumb on the customers part, but they had a contract.
> 
> The cloud is just someone else's computer..
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net

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