[EXTERNAL] Re: Retalitory DDoS

Mon Feb 8 19:19:23 UTC 2021

Was gonna come to add that.  That and maybe some UDP frags.

You may want to have your hosting provider block all inbound traffic from
> reaching your server IP except TCP port 443 (or 80 or whatever port you
> actually use) somewhere upstream.

Can also consider dropping by UDP source port on that 3072 and other common
reflection vectors if you've got UDP-based destinations to deal with.

The SYN floods are a different beast; though probably not volumetric, needs
enough capacity (TCP reverse proxies / LBs / etc) to handle that and
possibly things like SYN cookies.  I'll let folks more versed than myself
answer there, though.  Roland probably has a deck ready to link ;)

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Compton, Rich A <Rich.Compton at charter.com>
wrote:

> FYI, that looks like a Web Services Dynamic Discovery UDP amplification
> DDoS attack.
> https://blogs.akamai.com/sitr/2019/09/new-ddos-vector-observed-in-the-wild-wsd-attacks-hitting-35gbps.html
> Very easily executed by a booter service.
>
> You may want to have your hosting provider block all inbound traffic from
> reaching your server IP except TCP port 443 (or 80 or whatever port you
> actually use) somewhere upstream.  This can help reduce the impact of DDoS
> attacks on your server.
>
>
>
> -Rich
>
>
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> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces+rich.compton=charter.com at nanog.org> on
> behalf of Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net>
> *Date: *Monday, February 8, 2021 at 10:58 AM
> *To: *Jean St-Laurent <jean at ddostest.me>
> *Cc: *NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: Retalitory DDoS
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> I don't have RTBH, no. It's just a web server.
>
> Now how my hosting provider handled it, I'm not sure. I don't know if they
> just dropped me internally, or if they used RTBH with their upstreams and
> peers. Only being 2.5 gigs, that should be well within their ability to
> handle internally, but I guess why would you if you didn't have to?
>
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> *From: *"Jean St-Laurent" <jean at ddostest.me>
> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
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> *Sent: *Monday, February 8, 2021 11:53:43 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Retalitory DDoS
>
> You got RTBH?
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* February 8, 2021 12:50 PM
> *To:* Jean St-Laurent <jean at ddostest.me>
> *Cc:* NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Retalitory DDoS
>
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>
> In my case, it was against a server not on my own network, so my impact
> was a blackhole for an hour at 4 AM local time. I likely wouldn't have even
> noticed it, had I not received the threat email, nor the ticket my web
> host's NOC opened.
>
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> *From: *"Jean St-Laurent" <jean at ddostest.me>
> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>, "NANOG list" <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 8, 2021 11:42:12 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Retalitory DDoS
>
> Nice report,
>
>
>
> If you would have to pick up just one vector out of this “multi-vector”
> attack, which one seems to be the one that had the bigger effect on your
> network or service?
>
>
>
> Was it degraded or total service interruption?
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me at nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Mike
> Hammett
> *Sent:* February 8, 2021 8:43 AM
> *To:* NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Retalitory DDoS
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I've attached the full information we got from our DDOS protection system
> below.
>
> We had a large number of ping loss and data loss tickets begin opening up
> for devices sharing the cabinet chi18-313. The high traffic and
> interference was determined to be caused by incoming traffic to the ip
> address [Not hard to find, but redacted anyway]. Our network engineers will
> be back in after 9am until 5pm CST. They have greater access to the network
> and may be able to give you more details.
>
> Location : Chicago
> Event Time : 2021-02-08 04:17:38 CST (-0600)
> Destination IP: [Not hard to find, but redacted anyway]
> Traffic : 2520 Mbps 382880 pps
> Fragmentation : 11%
> Top Transport Protocol:
> . 99% Protocol # 17 (UDP)
> TCP Flag: SYN: 100% ACK: 0% RST: 0% FIN: 0%
> Top Source Port:
> . 61% Port # 3702
> . 38% Port # 0
> Top Destination Port:
> . 38% Port # 0
> . 14% Port # 45934
> . 9% Port # 23680
> . 8% Port # 35023
> . 7% Port # 25966
> Top Source IP:
> . 0% 112.164.127.17
> Number of unique IP: 7110
> Total Bytes : 1259961437 <callto:1259961437>
> Total Packets : 1531559
> Duration : 4s
> Report Run Time : 151.3ms
>
> The 30 day null route count is: 0
> Number of hours to null route : 1
>
> Location : Chicago
> Event Time : 2021-02-08 04:02:38 CST (-0600)
> Destination IP: [Not hard to find, but redacted anyway]
> Traffic : 1817 Mbps 275483 pps
> Fragmentation : 13%
> Top Transport Protocol:
> . 99% Protocol # 17 (UDP)
> TCP Flag: SYN: 99% ACK: 0% RST: 0% FIN: 0%
> Top Source Port:
> . 56% Port # 3702
> . 43% Port # 0
> Top Destination Port:
> . 43% Port # 0
> . 19% Port # 25966
> . 19% Port # 35023
> . 17% Port # 23680
> Top Source IP:
> . 0% 90.49.167.239
> Number of unique IP: 3577
> Total Bytes : 953894831
> Total Packets : 1157017
> Duration : 4.199s
> Report Run Time : 306.8ms
>
> The 30 day null route count is: 0
> Number of hours to null route : 1
>
>
> Liam Doring
> Systems Administrator
>
>
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> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
> *To: *"NANOG list" <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 8, 2021 5:46:26 AM
> *Subject: *Retalitory DDoS
>
> Is there a club for people that have been DDoSed? If so, count me in.
>
>
>
> This one was directed at me (as opposed to one of my customers) because I
> got an e-mail explaining why I was getting DDoSed. Is that aspect common?
>
>
>
> There were also some racial and sexual accusations that were made that
> clearly aren't true and just speak to the intelligence of people like this.
>
>
>
> Is it safe to assume that they completely anonymized the email they sent
> to me?
>
>
>
> Is there anyone I should be reporting this to?
>
>
>
> I thought my site was running in Cloudflare, but my individual server was
> still attacked, so I gotta figure out where I screwed that up.
>
>
>
>
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> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rrrx90jvy09h26s/ICS%20DDoS.png?dl=0
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