private 5G networks?

Mon Dec 6 20:09:05 UTC 2021

I thought it would have been possible to tap some firewalls at 5G level to inspect what comes in/out. Suspicious traffic toward known C&C would be investigated.

I have no clue how Pegasus or 5G works. 

Thanks for the info

Jean

From: Tom Beecher <beecher at beecher.cc> 
Sent: December 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Jean St-Laurent <jean at ddostest.me>
Cc: Mark Tinka <mark at tinka.africa>; NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?

To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect against spyware like Pegazus?

No disrespect intended here, but you are essentially asking if going from 2.4GHz Wifi to 5GHz wifi will make things more secure.  I'm sure you know the answer to that. 

Private 5G is just a method for local spectrum allocation that does not require a full FCC license. That's it. 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:37 PM Jean St-Laurent via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org <mailto:nanog at nanog.org> > wrote:

You're absolutely right and I agree with your line of thought.

Strangely, there is apparently a lawsuit of $150B against Meta for for facilitating Rohingya Genocide . I am not sure how valid it is and where it will go, but $150B is quite something. 

It looks like the price a country has to pay after a war.

These cloud providers failed to not polarize the debate. They interfere in the process and it's illegal nearly everywhere except online for the cloud providers.

It's like if you telco would give faster speed to inflammatory tweets and slowed down the tweets that don't generate fud. 

Telco are at the moment in a much better position than cloud providers in my opinion. The train started to anticipate the curve and it's already changing direction.

To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect against spyware like Pegazus?

Jean

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From: Mark Tinka <mark at tinka.africa <mailto:mark at tinka.africa> > 
Sent: December 6, 2021 10:02 AM
To: Jean St-Laurent <jean at ddostest.me <mailto:jean at ddostest.me> >; nanog at nanog.org <mailto:nanog at nanog.org> 
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?

On 12/6/21 15:56, Jean St-Laurent wrote:

> I vouch for fairness.
>
> It seems there might be a shift in how we consume services around the world. It's like a train. You can't turn 90 degrees. You need to start a smooth curve many miles ahead if you want your train to turn and reach the destination.
>
> How leaders govern will be more important. The decisions they make today and the partners they choose will set the direction for this train.

The problem with this approach is that it assumes industrial-revolution business practices where corporations set the standard, and customers follow.

This does not work anymore in the modern world, because what the content folk have done is create platforms where users set the the standard, and corporations follow.

In the old days, if a service didn't work, we complained, sued, cried, the lot, and took it on the chin. Nowadays, if a service doesn't work, you silently delete the app, and move on to someone else.

But corporations don't get good (read: negative) feedback, because they are too busy building and selling products, rather than build and selling experiences, like the content folk do. Because they are blind to this feedback, they don't see the churn that is happening (after all, it's like a slow tyre leak), as users quietly migrate for a better experience, and not a better product. 5 years later, they wonder how they lost 50% of their customer base. I'm already seeing it with a number of traditional banks, here in Africa.

Gartner (another typical corporation) just shared this the other day:

     https://ibb.co/c8PFRyQ

... and as you can clearly see, the "customer" experience is not top of their agenda for the typical CEO, for the coming year. Instead, it's a bunch of other things that make zero sense. How do you grow if you don't look after customers?

Users have moved on so fast due the ascension of the base expectation of value, companies that are willing to consider that the best they can do is create an experience that improves the likelihood of a user giving them a chance - rather than forcing a product sale on customers with the intention of meeting the YoY target that was printed in the boardroom PPT slides - will be the ones that have a chance to not only survive, but actually flourish.

If Amazon can democratize the mobile network by providing a cloud-based EPC, we might never have to be subjected to the unimaginative services we pay lots of money for, to typical mobile operators. I mean, if there is anyone with the time, money, people, data and network, it's surely Amazon, as well as the peers in their group.

> Maybe cloud boys and girls are also about to get a fair shake.

What the cloud and content folk have perfected is the art of being unsatisfied with the current customer experience. Their continued search for how they can make just one thing about their service better and more pleasurable to use, is what keeps them in favour with the user. For as long as they can maintain that ethos, they will be setting the rules.

It does help that they also play well together, so they don't have out-compete each other for business like we, in the telco world, continuously do... much to our collective detriment.

Mark.

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