Something that should put a smile on everybody's face today
george.metz at gmail.com
Wed Apr 28 19:34:12 UTC 2021
Respectfully Mel, the patent with Blackbird may well have been that -
my reading of the past case agrees with yours for the most part - but
the current case is Sable Networks suing Cloudflare over a patent
involving routers. Given the patent involved and the choice of
Cloudflare as a target, this well could snowball into a situation
where ANYONE using a router would be considered to be infringing, and
I submit that such a broad possible hit against the operator community
in general is most certainly a danger that operators should be aware
of, and if possible assist with defeating.
I'm well aware you said you were folding, but I think you were
accidentally looking at only the original case from a couple of years
ago, not the current case that is what brought this up - which is why
a number of us feel it meets the letter of the rules, as well as the
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org> wrote:
> Blackbird chooses its victims based on whether any of a couple dozen vague patents they hold can plausibly be used to extort money out of a victim company. BB doesn’t go after service providers in particular, it just happens to have chosen a service provider (unwisely, it turns out) in this case.
> There are no operational issues here. No individual Internet protocol or technology “many of us use” was named. The patent was invalid on its face, as it only described an abstract idea — “Providing an internet third party data channel” — in the most general terms possible, not as an invention, as required by U.S. patent law.
> The only difference between Cloudfare and BB’s other victims was that, rather than compute the instant cost-benefit analysis most companies do (“It will cost us tens of thousands to fight this, but only a few thousand to settle” ), Cloudfare valiantly chose to stand on principle, rather than mathematics, and fought the claim. By that simple act, the case by BB was thrown out virtually instantaneously.
> Judge Vince Chhabria held that “abstract ideas are not patentable” and Blackbird’s assertion of the patent “attempts to monopolize the abstract idea of monitoring a preexisting data stream between a server and a client” was not an invention. The case was rejected before it started because the court found Blackbird’s patent to be invalid.
> The choice to fold or fight in a patent troll battle is clearly a philosophical one, not a network operational decision. Now, rather than lengthen this out-of-policy thread further, I will take the non-valiant “fold” path, and leave the rest of you to your perpetual arguments.
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:41 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:20 AM Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org> wrote:
> This dispute is no different than if they had gotten into an argument
> over a copier toner scammer.
> Hi Mel,
> If the patents at issue pertained to copier toner I might agree with
> you. They're networking patents purporting to govern technologies many
> if not most of us use.
> Bill Herrin
> William Herrin
> bill at herrin.us
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