wow, lots of akamai

Thu Apr 1 20:12:17 UTC 2021

>
> Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome
> for the ISPs they traverse through the last mile(s)? IMO yes, yes they do.
> When you're doing something new and unprecedented, as Akamai frequently
> brags about on Twitter, like having rapid, bursty growth of traffic, you
> need to consider that just because you can generate it, doesn't mean it can
> be delivered.
>

Akamai, and other CDNs, do not **generate** traffic ; they serve the
requests generated by users.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:54 PM Matt Erculiani <merculiani at gmail.com> wrote:

> Niels,
>
> I think to clarify Jean's point, when you buy a 300mbps circuit, you're
> paying for 300mbps of *internet *access.
>
> That does not mean that a network should (and in this case small-medium
> ones simply can't) build all of their capacity to service a large number of
> customer circuits at line rate at the same time for an extended
> period, ESPECIALLY to the exact same endpoint. It's just not economically
> reasonable to expect that. Remember we're talking about residential service
> here, not enterprise circuits.
>
> Therefore, how do you prevent this spike of [insert large number here]
> gigabits traversing the network at the same time from causing issues? Build
> more network? That sounds easy, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons
> why ISPs can't or don't want to do that, particularly for an event that
> only occurs once per quarter or so.
>
> Does Akamai bear some burden here to make these rollouts less troublesome
> for the ISPs they traverse through the last mile(s)? IMO yes, yes they do.
> When you're doing something new and unprecedented, as Akamai frequently
> brags about on Twitter, like having rapid, bursty growth of traffic, you
> need to consider that just because you can generate it, doesn't mean it can
> be delivered.  They've gotta be more sophisticated than a bunch of servers
> with SSD arrays, ramdisks, and 100 gig interfaces, so there's no excuse for
> them here to just blindly fill every link they have after sitting idle for
> weeks/months at a time and expect everything to come out alright and nobody
> to complain about it.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:21 PM Niels Bakker <niels=nanog at bakker.net>
> wrote:
>
>> * nanog at nanog.org (Jean St-Laurent via NANOG) [Thu 01 Apr 2021, 21:03
>> CEST]:
>> >An artificial roll out penalty somehow? Probably not at the ISP
>> >level, but more at the game level. Well, ISP could also have some
>> >mechanisms to reduce the impact or even Akamai could force a
>> >progressive roll out.
>>
>> It's an online game. You can't play the game with outdated assets.
>> You'd not see walls where other players would, for example.
>>
>> What you're suggesting is the ability of ISPs to market Internet access
>> at a certain speed but not have to deliver it based on conditions they
>> create.
>>
>>
>>         -- Niels.
>>
>
>
> --
> Matt Erculiani
> ERCUL-ARIN
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