Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks valdis.kletnieks at
Sat Sep 19 20:53:51 UTC 2020

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:24:36 +0200, Mark Tinka said:
> On 17/Sep/20 17:56, mark seery wrote:
> > Perhaps all the more reason why end-to-end encryption should be part of the
> > buyer beware conversation (not arguing against operator encryption in saying
> > that - privacy is something everyone in I[C]T has to think about today).
> If gubbermints mandate that l2vpn's and l3vpn's be encrypted, the cloud
> bags will simply take over (not that they haven't, already).

Are there any actual countries heading that way?  Seems like most of them insist
they have the ability to snoop unencrypted traffic (where "crypto that has a baked-in
back door" counts as unencrypted).

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