how would draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds work in noam

Ca By cb.list6 at
Sat Sep 12 22:44:41 UTC 2020

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:13 PM Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:

> hi camron
> sad to say, the days of faxing around number assigments have passed.
> the kiddie googlers who wrote the geofeeds rfc probably have not even
> seen a fax machine.  they just did not like having a hundred gnomes in
> the basement dealing with everybody's formats.  given silicon valley
> housing costs, gnome armies do not scale well.  and, imiho, the format
> they developed is sufficiently boring that it might work.
> ten thousand providers emailing each other spreadsheets is not very
> pretty or reliable at global scale.  the plague is teaching normal folk
> the concept of exponential.
> so where A *finds* B's geofeed data is an ugly issue.  i agree that rpsl
> sucks.  like democracy, it may suck less than the alternatives.  but if
> you have a better suggestion, puhleeze!
> > 2. Why can’t arin just provide me a web portal to add city / state
> > info in my already existing rpki roa form?
> and then where do those data go?  you wanna go through the ietf process
> of putting it in the rpki, which has no 'remarks' as an intermediate
> hack?
> and 10,000 consumers of the data would have to sign arin legal papers.
> and arin is just one corner of a large world and becoming less and less
> relevant.
> as to using zip codes; aside from the international issues, in many
> locales postal codes are sufficiently specific to reveal personal
> identity.  or at least this is why some geofeed designers told me they
> avoided postal codes.  but this document is not about those choices
> anyway; geofeed file format was assumed.
> i hope you noted that the rpki-based signing is entirely optional.  i
> certainly do not sign my geofeed files, and am not aware of any other
> deployment of this tech which does.
> randy

Hi Randy,

Just business in this email.

I gave your I-D a try in the real world, and it does not work with a major
player.  I thought you might know this, and could have saved me a few hours
of tinkering... But to help others along,  inetnum does not work at RADB.
Web form, email, nada.
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