Hurricane Electric AS6939

Wed Oct 14 13:43:54 UTC 2020

Charter/Spectrum calls it an EPL - Ethernet Private Line.

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 4:08 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
lists at packetflux.com> wrote:

> I guess I should have been a bit clearer.
>
> Yes, what you would be ordering is typically a lit L2 circuit.   However,
> my experience is that certain carrier salespeople tend to call anything
> like this a 'wave'.  I have had lots of discussions over the years with
> various salespeople about the difference, and yes, it's pretty much always
> lit L2.   Centurylink (now Lumen) even sells a service they call "Encrypted
> Wavelength Service".  Not sure how one encrypts light....
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:25 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For small ISPs looking at setting up their first ever presence at an IX
>> point, you almost certainly would not be ordering an actual 'wave' (eg: a
>> specific DWDM channel on a legacy 10G DWDM platform, handed off to you with
>> 1310/LX interfaces at both ends), but lit layer 2 transport service between
>> the carrier hotel and your service location.
>>
>> Pricing for the two types of service can be quite different when you
>> request an actual 'wave' from a carrier sales person, vs just lit L2
>> transport capable of large MTUs, QinQ, etc.
>>
>> The ISP carrying it might take it between those two places as simply a
>> vlan trunked through a larger 100G link, as a MPLS circuit, lots of
>> possible things.
>>
>> Unless you happened to be in a happy conjunction of the right place at
>> the right time, and an older DWDM system on exactly the same path you
>> wanted happened to have an empty channel and ready to go interface cards at
>> both ends.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 11:12 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> lists at packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Generally one would order a circuit (aka wave) between your location and
>>> the IX fabric at the interchange if you're not at the site you're wanting
>>> to peer at.
>>>
>>> For instance, the network I am the network engineer for has a circuit
>>> which terminates into the Seattle IX (SIX) fabric.   We don't have any
>>> other presence in Seattle (or Washington for that matter) at this point -
>>> our circuit connects directly to our port on the Exchange.   We're
>>> considering adding a similar link to another exchange point somewhere to
>>> the east or southeast of us.   I haven't looked at the graphs recently, but
>>> it's not uncommon for >50% of our traffic to come from the exchange.   And
>>> yes, we're peered with Hurricane and others there.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at dropping 1U or so of equipment in so we can pick
>>> up some transit as well, but that's a story for a different day about the
>>> joys of providing internet in the less populated parts of the country.
>>>
>>> In your case, it also looks like there are also some peering options at
>>> the datacenters you are currently at as well.   You may want to do some
>>> more research to determine how that might work in your situation.
>>>  PeeringDB is a good resource along with google searches for "peering 100
>>> Taylor" or "peering austin data foundry"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:51 PM <aaron1 at gvtc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don’t you have to be there to join?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m in Austin and San Antonio
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Aaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2020 7:20 PM
>>>> *To:* Aaron Gould <aaron1 at gvtc.com>
>>>> *Cc:* nanog at nanog.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://bgp.he.net/AS16527
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't appear to be on any IXes. Definitely join some IXes before
>>>> buying another 100G of transit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DFW has a couple and there are some more that are starting up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
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>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Aaron Gould" <aaron1 at gvtc.com>
>>>> *To: *nanog at nanog.org
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:29:55 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Hurricane Electric AS6939
>>>>
>>>> Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink?  I’m thinking about using them
>>>> for 100gig in Texas.  It would be for my eyeballs ISP.  We currently have
>>>> Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.
>>>>
>>>> -Aaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Forrest
>>>
>>
>
> --
> - Forrest
>
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