Network issues in Israel/Middle East

Arie Vayner ariev at
Mon May 25 22:12:35 UTC 2020

Most (if not all) of Israel's capacity is served from Europe. There is no
real reason to serve users in Israel from India... You should most likely
be using instances in Frankfurt or London for best results.

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:46 Martijn Schmidt via NANOG <nanog at>

> Hey John,
> Do you have some background information about how Dublin is "technically
> farther away" than Mumbai? Is the latency actually better in the middle of
> the night? I'm genuinely curious, and I'll explain the reason why.. :)
> The shortest submarine route to Mumbai would probably be Mednautilus to
> Greece, hope you can crossconnect to AAE-1 there, and then through Egypt,
> around the Arabian Peninsula, to Mumbai. All in all ~7800km if not more,
> and that's a pretty uncommon path - you may have to go all the way to Italy
> or even Marseille to do the crossconnect.
> Compared to using let's say Jonah to connect to Italy for ~2300km,
> terrestrial to the western UK via the Channel tunnel for another ~2500km,
> take UK to Ireland over let's say Solas for ~230km, and the last stretch to
> Dublin for ~180km. All in all ~5200km, and that's all pretty common routing
> for the Internet.
> Then the last option could be a terrestrial path straight through the
> Arabian peninsula and using a submarine cable for the last stretch to
> Mumbai, which may technically be the shortest distance with ~4500km
> covered.. but let's just say that there is a reason why Google's Blue-Raman
> cable will be a very impressive achievement if/when it goes live:
> Best regards,
> Martijn
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> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces at> on behalf of John Von Essen <
> john at>
> *Sent:* 25 May 2020 20:59
> *To:* NANOG Operators' Group <nanog at>
> *Subject:* Network issues in Israel/Middle East
> I know this is outside the scope of “North America”, but has anyone else
> been fielding more issues related to network health/congestion in the
> middle east, specifically Israel?
> Our users in Israel are primarily served from India-based resources
> (AWS/Azure), both of which have cloud capacity issues in India that I’m
> aware of.
> Also, the majority of our users in Israel that have been reporting
> slowness seem to be mostly behind the ISP Bezeq. If we force them to route
> to Ireland (which is technically farther away form a latency standpoint)
> things are much better, so I’m wondering if just Bezeq (or everyone in
> Israel) is just experiencing 3rd party-related network congestion to Mumbai.
> Thanks
> John
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