COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Tue Mar 17 18:34:37 UTC 2020

Le 17/03/2020 à 19:26, Owen DeLong a écrit :
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>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:41 , Alexandre Petrescu 
>> <alexandre.petrescu at gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu at gmail.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>>> On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>>>> This simply isn’t true…
>>>>
>>>> Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who
>>>> specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.
>>
>> YEs listen to them.
>>
>> This morning they say: everyone can get it, there is no age or 
>> pre-conditio.
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> They’ve always said “everyone can get it, there’s no age or 
> pre-condition”.
>
> The age and pre-existing condition thing comes into play in defining 
> the probability that you will get a severe case of it. That advice 
> hasn’t changed.

Owen, we differ.

That advice changed.

I am not an immunologist, not a doctor of medicine, not medical.

I am not an official channel of information.

But that advice changed here: anyone can get it, anyone can get under 
respiratory device because of it.

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Also,

The good thing I heard today is China agency of press, saying they might 
have treatment, some positive sign, not fully positive, just some positive.

Alex

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> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/index.html
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>   If You Are at Higher Risk
>
> alert icon
> Who is at higher risk?
> Early information out of China, where COVID-19 first started, shows 
> that some people are at higher risk of getting very sick from this 
> illness. This includes:
>
>   * Older adults
>   * People who have serious chronic medical conditions like:
>       o Heart disease
>       o Diabetes
>

>  *
>       o Lung disease
>
Alex

>> That''s it.  They dont know, and worse they dont say they dont know.
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> Actually, they do say they don’t know (about the things they don’t 
> know). For example:
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> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Ftransmission.html
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> COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads, 
> the severity of illness it causes, and to what extent it may spread in 
> the United States.
>
>
>
>>
>> I am an engineer, I am not medical professional, my question is: is 
>> there a device to detect the virus with the crown in the air and 
>> light up a led?
>
> No… No such device exists for Corona Virus at this time. Such a device 
> is not easily developed.
>
>> (we do have such devices for VOC, for CO2, PM2, PM10 pollution, and 
>> many other things in the air; but about virus with a rcown?)
>
> Detecting a virus in the air is much more complicated than detecting 
> VOC, CO2, PM2.5 (presumably what you meant by PM2), or PM10.
>
> PM2.5 and PM10 are a simple size test. CO2 is a molecule that is easy 
> to detect through a simple electrochemical process. VOC are
> a class of hydrocarbons that all share certain chemical properties 
> which are easily detected through a simple electrochemical process.
>
> It should also be noted that such devices even for the chemicals they 
> can detect require a certain concentration of that chemical.
>
> On the other hand, a single airborne virion can be enough to cause a 
> widespread epidemic. If that single virion is “lucky” enough to find
> a compatible host cell and get the cell to start replicating it, then 
> you can quickly get lots more copies of that virion which then seek out
> additional host cells and additional hosts to make even more, and so on.
>
> Viruses are not. Viruses are very tiny intracellular parasites where 
> very subtle chemical differences cause massively different effects on 
> humans.
>
> They consist of an RNA or DNA genome surrounded by a protective 
> virus-coded protein coat. More information here: 
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8174/
>
> Currently, the best we can do is a test to detect coronavirus 
> infection in a person after they are infected and symptomatic.
>
> So for now, stay indoors with your family and if you’ve got a sick 
> sense of humor like I do, play one or more of the Pandemic board games 
> (if you happen to own them).
>
> Owen
>
>
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>> Alex
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>>>>
>>>> The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary source
>>>> of trustworthy information. It may be
>>>> incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re
>>>> very likely to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is
>>>> completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to
>>>> you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.
>>>>
>>>> There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the
>>>> internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
>>>> information and education. Even in my own household, this is a
>>>> constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
>>>> odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of
>>>> inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her
>>>> perspective.
>>>>
>>>> For up to date local information, check with the local public health
>>>> authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
>>>> be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual
>>>> municipalities also have public health departments.
>>> It's the price we pay for hyper-connectedness (not trying to coin a
>>> phrase, hehe).
>>>
>>> Everybody (especially the kids) lives on their device 99% of the time.
>>> If you're not on their device, you are not relevant to them.
>>>
>>> When was the last time you bought a newspaper? How many times do your
>>> kids watch the news, either on TV or their device? But they are all over
>>> WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, SnapChat, WeChat, et al. And even if they
>>> have the "News" app on their phone, they probably have never opened it.
>>> If they opened it, they didn't find value in it.
>>>
>>> On average, the we (and the kids) will give your app two tries; if we
>>> don't like it, you're out - which explains why we all have 3,000 apps on
>>> our phones, but only use 2 or 3 of them most consistently.
>>>
>>> Whoever wants to get professional and verified information out (to the
>>> kids who live on their devices) needs to find a way to do so in a manner
>>> we find relevant, otherwise we'll simply keep trading mis-information
>>> for whatever reason we feel gives us value.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
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