FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois

Mon Jan 27 18:22:53 UTC 2020

I find it interesting that they say their clients didn't see it as an
issue. Whenever they called and asked if I want transit my answer always
was when they had v6 peering to He and Gooogle we could talk.

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:56 PM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> I now longer have a dog in this fight, but “The” peering cake was my
> project (such as it was)...
>
> Cogent has, to the best of my knowledge, always had rather large voids in
> their IPv6 connectivity. To the best of my knowledge, HE and Google are the
> most significant of these voids, but I believe there are others as well.
>
> Some quotes I received from Cogent representatives over the years (some
> may be slightly paraphrased):
>
>         “Hurricane is too small to peer IPv6 with us… They should just buy
> transit from us.”
>         “Why should we peer with HE? Our customers aren’t reporting it as
> a problem.”
>         “Congested links allow us to pass the savings on to our customers.”
>         “We see from ARIN whois that you recently registered an ASN. Want
> to buy transit from us?” (many times over several years)
>                 (This particular violation of the ARIN Whois AUP/TOS
> eventually resulted in Cogent being suspended from using the service)
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 2020, at 22:41 , Large Hadron Collider <
> large.hadron.collider at gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> > Peering cake? Carbohydrates always entice me to peer... :-)
> >
> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:16:12 -0600
> > "Aaron Gould" <aaron1 at gvtc.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I’m pretty sure cogent has had issues providing full internet
> connectivity via ipv6 to google and perhaps he (hurricane electric),
> perhaps others as well, for quite some time now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Breeden
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:04 PM
> >> To: Rich Kulawiec; North American Network Operators' Group
> >> Subject: RE: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmm. Wonder if this can be used to cancel some cogent services... I
> mean, they technically aren't providing access to the full internet now.
> 🤷‍♂️🤔
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
> smartphone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >>
> >> From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk at gsp.org>
> >>
> >> Date: 1/7/20 7:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
> >>
> >> To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog at nanog.org>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 04:54:22PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>> That said, if there's a stern warning about Cogent abusing the system,
> >>> maybe their customers finding out is a good thing for the overall
> >>> community. ;-)
> >>
> >> And that is what I would suggest: reply to all queries with a notice
> >> that explains what is happening, why it's happening, and provides
> >> contact information for Cogent executives: preferably their *personal*
> >> email addresses and phone numbers.
> >>
> >> ---rsk
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Large Hadron Collider <large.hadron.collider at gmx.com>
>
>
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