10g residential CPE

Aaron Wendel aaron at wholesaleinternet.net
Mon Dec 28 17:01:35 UTC 2020


We charge a $300 one time install charge to cover our costs on the 1G 
service (which can be paid out at $25/mo if you can't afford $300 all at 

The area we serve is mainly lower and lower-middle-class income with an 
80% transient population.  Seven years ago, when "digital divide" and 
"digital literacy" were the buzz words, we instituted our "free" 1G 
service in an effort to level the playing field for the population who, 
otherwise, can't afford internet at all, let alone at that speed.  Until 
recently we didn't charge for residential service at any tier.  Rather 
than putting in "income tiers", making people fill out applications for 
assistance, etc. we just made it free for everyone.  We also provide 
free 100G service to the local school district as well as free service 
to local government, police, fire stations (Firemen (and women) had to 
pay for their own internet to use while they were on duty before us), 
library, churches and other non-profits.

That's the why.  The how is that we control a LOT of fiber in the metro 
area that is in use by a lot of very large providers that everyone's 
heard of.  We make enough money doing that so we don't feel the need to 
charge the residences for a basic level of service.


On 12/26/2020 12:48 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> Aaron,
> One simple question. Why on earth would you offer free internet 
> service? How and why? Your site show 1 Gig symmetrical for free when 
> you should be a minimum of $65 per month to be competitive.
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 12:31 PM Aaron Wendel 
> <aaron at wholesaleinternet.net <mailto:aaron at wholesaleinternet.net>> wrote:
>     We run MikroTik RB4011s for residential speeds between 1G and 10G
>     or just supply a media converter.  For residential 40G and 100G we
>     just drop in Arista or Extreme switches.  SMBs are normally just a
>     media converter or direct fiber handoff.
>     https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in
>     <https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in>
>     There are not a lot of options for good, off the shelf 10G CPE
>     equipment.  The handful of 10G residential customers we have seem
>     to be happy with the tik.  The couple that don’t use it have
>     rolled their own solution.
>     Like anything, I’m sure once the major home broadband providers
>     start to catch up with us smaller guys the vendors will catch up
>     as well.
>     https://www.kcfiber.com/residential
>     <https://www.kcfiber.com/residential>
>     Aaron
>>     On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org
>>     <mailto:mel at beckman.org>> wrote:
>>>     i really don't get what the problem is. it's like they're being
>>>     deliberately obtuse.
>>     Michael,
>>     If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously
>>     they don’t see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build
>>     their hobby horse see that? It’s like they’re being deliberately
>>     obtuse :)
>>     -mel via cell
>>>     On Dec 26, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com
>>>     <mailto:mike at mtcc.com>> wrote:
>>>>     On 12/26/20 8:00 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
>>>>     Anybody got a feel for what percent of the third-party gear
>>>>     currently sold to
>>>>     consumers has sane bufferbloat support in 2020, when we've
>>>>     *known* that
>>>>     de-bufferbloated gear is a viable differentiatior if marketed
>>>>     right (consider the
>>>>     percent of families that have at least one gamer who cares)?
>>>     I don't know percentages, but just trying to find cpe that
>>>     support it in their specs is depressingly small. considering
>>>     that they're all using linux and queuing discipline software is
>>>     ages old, i really don't get what the problem is. it's like
>>>     they're being deliberately obtuse. given all of the zoom'ing
>>>     happening now you think that somebody would hit them with the
>>>     clue-bat that this is a marketing opportunity.
>>>     Mike

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)

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