The Real AI Threat?

adamv0025 at adamv0025 at
Thu Dec 10 15:48:30 UTC 2020

> Automated resource discovery + automated resource allocation = recipe for disaster

That is literally how OpenStack works. 


For now, don’t worry about AI taking away your freedom on its own, rather worry about how people using it might…





From: NANOG < at> On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 2:44 PM
To: 'NANOG' <nanog at>
Subject: Re: The Real AI Threat?


adamv0025 at <mailto:adamv0025 at>  wrote:

> Put them together, and the nightmare scenario is:
> - machine learning algorithm detects need for more resources
All good so far
> - machine learning algorithm makes use of vulnerability analysis library 
> to find other systems with resources to spare, and starts attaching
> those resources

Right so a company would built, trained and fine-tuned an AI, or would have bought such a product and implemented it as part of its NMS/DDoS mitigation suite, to do the above? 

What is the probability of anyone thinking that to be a good idea?

To me that does sound like an AI based virus rather than a tool one would want to develop or buy from a third party and then integrate into the day to day operations.


You can’t take for instance alpha-0 or GPT-3 and make it do the above. You’d have to train it to do so over millions of examples and trials. 

Oh and also these won’t “wake up” one day and “think” to themselves oh I’m fed up with Atari games I’m going to learn myself some chess and then do some reading on wiki about the chess rules. 

Jeez... some guys seem to take a joke literally - while ignoring a real and present danger - which was the point.

Meanwhile, yes, I think that a poorly ENGINEERED DDoS mitigation suite might well have failure modes that just keep eating up resources until systems start crashing all over the place.  Heck, spinning off processes until all available resources have been exhausted has been a failure mode of systems for years.  Automated resource discovery + automated resource allocation = recipe for disaster.  (No need for AIs eating the world.)


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